SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right, welcome back to another episode of the Detox Experience. I'm here today with Miss Ava Hooft. How are you doing today, Ava?

SPEAKER_00 0:08

So good. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Absolutely. This is going to be a lot of fun today. I've been on your podcast a couple of times, and we've known each other for a few years now. It's always nice to connect. So you're a wealth of knowledge. You've been putting out some incredible content on social media, and you've just been doing great things. So I'm excited to uh to pick your brain a little bit for knowledge and see what's been working for you.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Thank you. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

All right. So we're going to mostly be talking about detox today. That's kind of you know the focus and or you know of the show. So just what uh if you could define detox or describe, you know, what is detox to you, what would you, what would you say?

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Yeah, that's such a good question. I would say to me, what detoxification essentially means is just getting the body into a state where it just handles like the toxic low, whether we're talking about like, you know, physical toxins or emotions or just like input on the system that it gets every single day, you know, through our environment, through the things that we eat, through even like our thoughts and our emotions, and how our body then is able to like take that, package it, handle it, you know, transmute it and essentially is excrete it or or let it leave the body. And so I would say that everything that at least I do in my practice when it comes to detoxification is just supporting the body's natural way to do that rather than, you know, trying to like aggressively pull things out because we think that they are, you know, they shouldn't be there. Um so that's that's what I would say is my thought on detoxification.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Well, I love it. I love it. I love what you said there. It's it's you know, working with the body's natural processes because I do think a lot of we've kind of gotten away from that in a lot of both mainstream medicine and also natural alternative medicine. And we've kind of developed this culture of trying to do what we want to do and you know, trying to fight basically saying the body doesn't know what it's doing, we're gonna, we can, we can outsmart it. And and working on these approaches to outsmart it, but yeah, working with the body's natural processes because I believe you know God designed the body to to work and to work well and it knows what it's doing, and we often do not. So yeah, anytime we can do things that are more natural and encourage the body to do what it wants to do better, then I'm all for it. So how long, how long have you been on, I guess we can call it a detox journey, or how long have you been into kind of this detox field?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Yeah, so I've been on like a healing journey, I would say, for like the last 10 years or so. So it really started when I was like 18, 19. I mean, I've been dealing with like all sorts of like physical issues and gut issues for many years before that. But that was really when I started like looking at, you know, natural solutions, healing my body, um, like, you know, different diets and foods that could help my gut heal specifically. Um, and eventually thankfully stumbled up on the word of detoxification because it was for me like kind of getting into that like loop or that trap, if you want to call it, of like thinking the same way that like allopathic medicine looks at like, oh, just take a pill for whatever you're dealing with. Like, I felt like the functional natural medicine space was doing the same to me, where it was like, hey, I'm having parasites, I have, you know, candida gut issues, and I was just getting like all these antimicrobials and just like really harsh supplements that I would then have massive reactions to. And I was told to kind of just push through it. And so um eventually, like on that journey, I found like my first intro to detoxification was like doing, you know, things like mucoid black cleanses, liver flushes, kind of that world of detoxification, like working with binders, saunas. Um, and so that was probably about seven years ago when I first found that and immediately fell in love. Um, definitely got a little too excited and almost, you know, almost ended my life in the process. So definitely learned a lot through that experience. Um, and now I would say I'm like definitely not on like the aggressive biohacking side of detoxification, but more so a little bit more on like the whole like, you know, understanding how to work through it through the nervous system and understanding the lens of like, yeah, the body's timeline and natural rhythms.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Amazing. Okay, so let's let's just rewind there for a second. You said, you know, you got a little bit too aggressive with it, almost ended your life. What just go into depth a little bit there? What if you could go back and do what you, you know, start over, what would you not have done that you did do?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Yeah, so I think, you know, the what tends to happen, and I see it with a lot of my clients as well, or people in the space, is like the moment that we become aware of toxins, it becomes this massive fear, right? It's like we're like, oh my gosh, I have all these heavy metals, I have all these parasites, they need to leave my body right now. And so that's essentially the same way that I was looking at it. It's like I, you know, did some testing and I saw that like my heavy metal levels were elevated and I like got a test back and I, you know, saw that I had parasites. And so I immediately kind of spiral into fear and this like fixing mentality, like I need to get this out right now. And so I saw good results from doing liver flushes and like fasting and cleansing. And so I was like, oh, so you know, one plus one equals two. I'm just gonna do all of that like basically consistently nonstop without even understanding like that it's depleting on my minerals and the body and like my nervous system definitely doesn't agree with fasting 24-7. And so um, I mean, knowing what I know now, like I would have done everything differently. But what I was doing back then was essentially just thinking that, you know, like more is better in every way possible, and also trusting, I think what it's what I would say is like the most dangerous thing, thing right now is like the whole Instagram trends around like taking zeolite sprays and just taking all these like like heavy metal detox smoothies and thinking that that's gonna heal me. And so I was just doing everything anti-heavy metals and everything anti-parasites at the same time while I was like severely underweight, dysregulated, running on stress hormones. And that just ended up into me having like a an urgent care experience after I got hypothermia from an ice bath while I was fasting, while I was doing this heavy metal detox spray. And so it was kind of this combination of like a perfect storm for my body to collapse.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I remember I was we were, you know, in communication at that time, during that time, and you had just gone on the ice bath and it was it was not good. And it's it's and I kind of had had I didn't have that level of uh experience, but I had you know negative reactions to like I had a full body cryotherapy unit at my uh previous biohacking center. Yeah, and it's just it's just like it's it's great for athletes and things, people that are in, you know, like if they can recover. The whole point, the benefit is in their recovery. So if you cannot recover and it stresses out your nervous system too much, then it's counterproductive. So I think that's really important for people to understand is that there's things that are healthy and then there's things that are healthy for you. It's like just in general, people are like, oh no, this food is healthy. It's like, well, it's not necessarily about is this thing healthy or is it good inherently? It's what is your body's response to that thing. And that's you know, that's that's kind of the difference between like traditional nutrition and functional nutrition, or traditional health and functional health is identifying what you need at this particular time in your life, and that could change over time. But it's not all about the thing. So, you know, cryotherapy, like, oh, cryotherapy is gonna make me look younger. It's like, well, maybe, maybe not. And same with everything else. So it's it's the individual response. So thanks for sharing that. Um, all right, let's talk about what kind of what has worked well for you. Like, what are your, you know, some of your top top things that you've learned over the last 10 years in your journey for for detox and uh that you'd like to share.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Yeah, 100%. So it's basically it follows the exact structure that I now do with every client. You know, it's like we we kind of figure everything out that doesn't work, take it out, and then kind of leave the structure that I have seen works repeatedly over time. So for me, you know, the nervous system is always central and key. And this is because, and I'm sure, you know, you've talked about it on your show or your listeners will know this, it's like the nervous system, right, has to be on board with anything that we do because otherwise, you know, your digestion slows down, your detoxification slows down. And so if you're in chronic fight or flight, or, you know, your nervous system is perceiving whatever you're doing as unsafe. And this can even be like based on your belief systems. Like if you believe that something is wrong, right, that's going to send all these signals to your body that essentially are going to respond in that way. And so if you're doing everything that you're doing out of fear, out of the stress response, like we're not gonna see results because the body heals when it feels safe. And so that is what I would say is like the number one priority for me with all of my clients is understanding like how can we get them to feel more safe? And sometimes this means, you know, like coaching them through or having them do like emotional release practices around like abusive situations that they're in in relationships or like in jobs that don't serve them, or they like have a lot of fear about money. Like I always tell them it's the thing that you think has nothing to do with your health issues that's often the cause of your health issues, right? So whatever is giving you the most stress in life right now has everything to do with what you're experiencing. And so that's what I would say is like foundational. Um, but also we have to start to understand how we can support the nervous system from like a physical lens, right? So I like the way that I kind of look at the nervous system, it's like if you are full of toxins or if you have like all these like imbalances in the gut, for example, and these microbes are creating like they're creating toxins, like that's a stressor to the nervous system, right? Or you have structural imbalances, it's a stressor to the nervous system, like even some structural compression on certain nerves. Like it, we don't really know how much like the entire body, you know, external and internal, sends these signals constantly that can throw off someone's entire journey. So, like the first thing that we look at and the first thing that I look at anytime that something is off in my life, I'm like, okay, what is impacting my nervous system right now to shift and to respond in the way that it's doing? And so um, I would say for most people, this is starting in the gut, right? So we're bringing down the toxic load in the gut. One of the reasons that zoocharge is like one of the first things that I put my client on to just reduce the toxic load, whether it's like, you know, someone has like candida overgrowth, they have heavy metals, they have microplastics, they have glyphosate, they have um like mold toxicity, mold exposure, right? So we bring down the toxic load while we support the gut lining and we essentially just bring down the inflammation, we calm the nervous system. And from there, it's kind of like the sky's the limit, right? So, like just within 20, like 15 to 30 days, we can reduce someone's symptoms by like 50 to 80 percent because, like, not because the gut is like the root of all their symptoms, but because oftentimes if the liver is congested, if someone's nervous system is out of whack, like the gut's gonna be impacted by that. And there's this negative feedback loop that happens when we have these imbalances that then further impact the liver, the nervous system. So if we just break the circuit somewhere, then we have like access to the deeper parts. So yeah, what I've seen that works is like supporting the gut. And like definitely not by taking all like the gut supporting, you know, like definitely not the Instagram trends of just take L-glutamine and just take, you know, like this probiotic. Like it's very case-dependent on what people are experiencing. Um, and then from there, like I found that mineral balancing helps a lot of my clients a lot, especially when, you know, they're in extreme slow oxidation, for example, and they have very sluggish motility, like they have um subclinical hypothyroidism, they might experience, you know, like adrenal fatigue or adrenal burnout. So we kind of support the system uh when we see something like that's present and just giving them more energy. And when they have the energy, we typically go a bit deeper into things like liver flushes. Like, even though I hurt myself doing it, I still see that they're incredible when done at the right time, when the body is prepped and primed. Um, and yeah, like, you know, something that I think a lot of people underestimate is just the power of like emotional work as well. Like I've had so many clients do, you know, emotional release, somatic practices and release like 20, 30 parasites the next day. And like we, you know, we don't realize how much our inner state really determines like everything else that's going on in the body and like the communication between cells and stuff like that. So yeah, I would say like those are from the top of my head, I'm sure there's more, but those are like the top things that come to mind.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

No, that's a lot of great information in there. And I think we're definitely on the same page with this because I think a lot of people, when they you mentioned the lab testing, they'll get a lab test, they see something and then they say, This is my problem, or you know, they've identified something, and then they go and directly target that. Usually it's not their problem, usually it's you know one small piece of their problem or a result of the problem. And that's where lab testing, I think, can really be tricky because they're you know, we're looking at a couple of snapshots out of you know, thousands of different things we could be looking at, or we don't even have the potential capacity to look at at this point with technology or or just financially, or we don't have enough that don't have enough blood to give or whatever it is. So it's like we we identify things and we assume they're the problem. But when one thing is off in the body, everything's kind of off. And when I think when it comes to detox, we try, I think the most effective way to detox is not to target specific things that we've identified or we think are the issue, even if they are one of the main issues, it's to get the body to the point where it can handle it better, like you're saying, right? So the way I look at it is you've got, you know, the body has a certain amount of energy that it has to deal with everything on a daily basis. Some of that's going to, you know, detox, some of it's going to whatever else. But if you to your point about like emotional health, if if you're going through a severe emotional, you know, time of um you know stress, emotional stress, that's going to be using up a lot of energy. And maybe some of that energy would have been going towards detox, but now it's going towards that. So your body slows down detox because it doesn't want to deal with it. Right. And and as you mentioned, the nervous system, it's it's the body, the body, I always say that the body is more focused on short-term survival over long-term thrival. And it's, you know, I came up with I was actually talking to Jeff Leon from Lego scan one time on the phone, and that like I said that, and I'm like, that's a keeper. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be saying that all the time. But it's yeah, it's it's really true. And if the body's in survival mode, where if your nervous system's kind of you know a wreck, it's you're pretty much gonna be in survival mode, that fight or flight constantly. The body's not gonna be prioritizing the deep level detox because it has so much other stuff going on. And if you if the body started releasing toxic elements from tissue, it would just stress out the nervous system even more because they're you know stimulating. So the body just keeps stuff. So just by calming the nervous system, and there's so many different ways to do that, but by you know removing the sources of stress on the nervous system and other areas of your body, the body can kind of breathe, it calms things down, and then the body feels comfortable. It says, you know what? Now let's start letting go of some of this mercury from the brain or from tissue because now we have room and the capacity to get it out. Otherwise, it's like we release it, it's gonna make you even worse, type of thing. Right. So any comments on that?

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Yeah, I I think it's just, you know, you like hit the nail on the head. And I think it's also such like a testament as to like when people start to create space in their life for healing, right? Specifically, and like they are taking more time out of their day to kind of get into that rest and digest state, they're specifically slowing down. Like this is when all of your shit comes up, you know, not just physically. It's not just like, oh, the brain starts detoxing Mercury, which, yes, you know, you might start feeling more sick when you slow down. It's oftentimes, what did I say again? Like you go and you take a leave from work to go on vacation and suddenly you like get sick. Well, it's because your body's been running on overdrive. And the moment that you give it the capacity to actually start to clear things up, that's when things happen. And I see this so much with myself and my clients too, where then, like, you know, memories from when they were five, 10 years old come up because they finally can be processed, or like a lot of these like old, like early developmental patterns will come up. And it's it's so interesting because a lot of people will look at their life and they say, I got worse. You know, it's like, oh, I started detoxing or I started making space for healing and I got worse. And I literally had this conversation with a client yesterday who was like, Hey, as soon as I started the mineral balancing and as soon as I created space for this, like I started feeling so much worse. And like I've been so fatigued and I haven't been able to recover. Meanwhile, I'm looking at her hair tests and her patterns, and what I'm seeing is that she went from a high stress life, she started gaining some weight and slowing down. She released like an insane amount of aluminum, like actually insane. And her skin started breaking out, she started not sleeping well. And so, from the client's perspective, you know, you're getting worse. But what we see is that you're actually finally having space to start to heal with some of these things that your body didn't have the chance to do. And so I think there is a fine line, however, between like, you know, practitioners who just tell you to push through and you're actually herxing because your your body isn't ready for the level of stuff that you're doing versus you slowing down and going into like a retracing or a healing reaction. So yeah, it's but it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Yeah, I think, and I think that that's a probably really misunderstood uh topic is is detox reactions. And I think there's there's different types of detox reactions, and some are better than others. Some are unavoidable, some are avoidable. We want to avoid the ones we can and be aware of the ones that maybe we can't. So as you mentioned, you know, like for example, we we want to avoid redistribution of toxic elements, right? So that's an inefficient detox. You know, some we want to minimize them at best. We don't want to just stir stuff up and have them floating around and redistribute to somewhere else in the body. But like a retracement symptom, like you mentioned, let's say, you know, they're starting to bring up memories from the past and things, it's it's sometimes those are unavoidable, but they're not bad because it's not like a redistribution. It's just something that was in hiding and it's coming to the surface, and the body has to process it on the way out. Like and that's and and a lot of my listeners probably understand this about emotions, but you know, the body store can store emotions. And I think that's one of the best ways to know a detox potentially, or that's definitely a sign that the detox is getting to a deep level because like with mineral balancing or zero charge or whatever detox approach, they're not directly targeting emotions, you know, these trapped frequencies of emotions or anything, but they're encouraging the body to let go of things. And some of those things that the body was holding on to is emotion. So if you start experiencing some of those things, that's probably a sign that your body's getting to that deep level detox. It doesn't mean you have to experience that, but a lot of people do. And yeah, it can be a little bit scary. But when you think about whether it's an emotion or uh a toxic element that you were just exposed to, your body's processing it, it's very stressful. Your body then hides it or tucks it away into storage because it can't deal with it anymore. It says, I can't deal with it. When it comes out, it's like you were just exposed for the first time because now it's back in the processing center. So like a lot of times you get the same exact symptoms as you did 20 years ago or however long you were exposed because it was just hiding. It's it's toxic on the way in and it's toxic on the way out. It's the same thing. So it's super interesting. Um, do you so how how often do you say you would see that emotional kind of release?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

So often, like I also think it's because you know I prime my clients for it. Like I know some people that are not primed for it, they just like because it's sometimes it's even hard to recognize that you're in some sort of like emotional retracing, right? You just feel agitated and you're just like, no, I'm just frustrated with this person. They did this, and like we can project our experience onto like our external circumstance. Whereas like I typically tend to really guide my clients to start recognizing when their internal experience changes a lot. And for me, you know, like because I've done this for quite a while and it's obviously like I have the knowledge and awareness around it, like I can tell, like, especially like the last week when I'm going through this like massive detox reaction of some sorts, like I will feel like I'm literally 15 years old again and I'm in the midst of my like suicidal depression and like all of these feelings are coming up, but because I have the awareness, I don't attach myself to it, right? It's not the story of like something's wrong with my life right now, I'm depressed. It's like, oh, like my body finally has the energy to deal with what it didn't, you know, have the energy for like 10, 20 years ago. And now that I have the energy, I can actually move it and be with it. And so, like for me, I guess like the best advice I've ever received around that is just to like rather than try to avoid it and try to say, like, oh, it's bad, like I shouldn't feel angry or I shouldn't feel depressed and try to like heal it with love and light and say, like, oh, I'm just gonna do my affirmations or like go do something that makes me happy. Like, I actually allow my system to fully collapse into it. So, like, you know, because ultimately it's just energy and motion. It wants to just move through. And especially when we're going through this like deep healing process, like the body just wants to know that it's allowed to feel what it's feeling. And for me, it's been extremely helpful to just use like an entire day to sometimes clear it, just be with whatever I'm feeling and move through it in that way. And we see that with our clients as well, that um, you know, everyone who comes into our programs gets a one-on-one with a somatic practitioner for that reason. And and we recently had feedback from this one client who hasn't been sleeping in months, and she did one session and immediately like she was sleeping like a baby, you know, going forward. And so we, yeah, it's just like really shows like how much we can underestimate the power of just like changing our perception by like releasing certain emotions or releasing patterns that we're holding on to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

No, I and so something I've done recently, probably over the last, you know, year, but especially more even this year, even to a greater extent, is when I when I feel worse, I become more thankful because instead of saying, you know, getting mad at my body, like why are you know, why are you not able to handle this? It's well, thank you for detox. It's like it's like my body is it's it's detox. Like good, you're getting out the bad, you know, some of the stuff is passing through. Like instead of like like 99% of people, they get sick or they have some negative symptoms, they they assume something's wrong and that their body's not working, but maybe their body is working better and it's allowing them to it's it's starting to release things. And I think that's one of kind of the tricks where a lot of people you know get stuck or give up on a program. Because they're they just assume they're gonna feel better immediately on you know whatever program they do, but it's it's it's not how it works. Most some I mean sometimes, but usually not. So it's it's just yeah, usually not. It's like it's just like, okay, good, you know, stuff is passing through. And something my mom taught me when I was just really young is instead of saying, like, whenever we got you know a cold, and I have different views on that now, but she would say, you know, don't say you have a cold, don't make, don't claim it for your own. Say it's passing through. And she said that in other cultures, she had heard that in other cultures they don't like cle like make things their own like we do in you know American society. It's more like this thing is passing through. So I thought, you know, I think that's really powerful as well, just with anything. Don't make, you know, like this can, you know, whatever diagnosis or condition or symptoms you're experiencing, don't say I am this or I have that, because then you're you're driving that deeper just emotionally and subconsciously into your body. If you change your even your wording of it, you know, this is passing through, or or just not even mentioning it all, and just you know, the positive affirmations. I like to do a lot of positive affirmations and things as well. That that stuff's pretty powerful, right? Because like when you're when you're saying something, your body is listening and it's responding to what you're saying. So if you're saying that you are sick and that, you know, it's gonna, it's going to act accordingly and prepare for that condition. So anyway, that's that's kind of an interesting concept. But I I think I encourage people when next time you're not feeling as good as you want to be feeling, you know, be more thankful instead of more upset. Right? Yeah. And just feel like stuff's it's passing through. So all right, let's talk about parasites are always a hot topic. Um, and you know, you've got that, you've got one of your reels on Instagram that, you know, it's got all these images flashing up with parasites and all sorts of crazy stuff. So tell us about kind of your philosophy, like what is going on with parasites? Why are they there? How do you get rid of them? How has your philosophy maybe changed over the last few years on how to deal with this stuff?

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah, such a good question. So I would say like when I found out about parasites in the beginning, I was like, kill them all, like, you know, kind of like the whole Instagram trend. And um, I was lucky enough to like, you know, encounter some really awesome people in the field, especially in like the field of terrain theory and terrain medicine and kind of like their philosophies around how you know parasites are just like part of like the the internal life cycle and essentially are just like opportunistic organisms and just you know jump in when they need to. And I still definitely look at it that way, where if someone has a really high parasitic burden, unless they've just gone swimming with an open wound in like a cenote or something, you know, it's like that's a little bit different. Um, but if, you know, if you're yeah, like if you're, for example, like a normal Western person, like you know, we are, and even if you've traveled to like foreign countries and such, like if you have like a very high parasitic burden and like they show up on stool tests and all that stuff, like to me, that's just a signal that like other things in the body are off. And rather than like targeting the parasites which are currently playing a role in the ecosystem, I look at it in the same way that you were saying, like, you know, rather than going after one specific like diet or like a diagnostic tool or like um what am I saying, like a biomarker that we want to change, or after like one pathogen or organism, we just change the entire ecosystem essentially. And that's the way that I look at it still. So, you know, I'm a believer that um parasites really show up when the terrain is very toxic. So, like if we have like a low oxygen environment, if we have a lot of stagnation, if we um don't digest our food well and it just kind of sits there, right? Or if we um have a high metal burden that these parasites show up as kind of part of like bioremediating almost the environment. And I look the same way at like, you know, candida and other other species. I'm pretty sure like one of my mentors, Clark Engelbert, he was talking about how like candida actually tends to overgrow when there's like higher amounts of copper present or mercury. And so I've seen that as well. Like when I go through client cases, like if someone's been on hormonal birth control, for example, for quite a while, you know, they retain more copper because of that estrogen. And then typically over time, like those people end up also having, you know, parasitic overgrowth, candida, um, they typically get anxiety and kind of like that whole picture that fits um, like, yeah, that whole picture. And so typically I just have people like work on, you know, their boundaries, their emotions, clearing up the toxic metals from the system, like opening their drainage pathways, like just overall improving their immune system and their digestion. Like if some people, for example, have a congested liver, they're gonna have low stomach acid. And so, like, like parasites, eggs and parasites are everywhere, you know. Like, I know people are like, oh, if you walk barefoot, there's parasites. Yeah, like if you eat lettuce, you probably get parasite eggs. Like they're not just in foreign countries, it's just that we, you know, don't have as many symptoms yet. I mean, now everyone has symptoms of it, but it's just not as commonly known here. And so if I believe that like if your system is resilient, if you have good stomach acid, if you have good digestion, like if your immune system is functioning optimally, if you have like a clean body, the parasites are kind of what you're saying, right? They're passing through. Like your body knows how to deal with them versus like if your body doesn't, then it's like, yeah, like they're gonna have more opportunity to overgrow. And so I definitely don't agree with, you know, all the news that's coming out about like cancer is a parasite and like, you know, PCOS is a parasite. Like I 100% believe that the same terrain that creates cancer or you know, like cysts and PCOS and endometriosis, like 100% there's gonna be parasites, but that doesn't mean that that's gonna be like the cause of the disease. And so um, yeah, like I definitely think that there's like a, I mean, I'd love to hear your take on like ivermectin and that whole story, but like I definitely have my cautious around it. Um, I do say that in the recent years, I have changed a little bit of my opinion on it, that I do think that some people who are dealing with like a high enough parasite burden that it can be helpful to do like light parasite cleansing once they have, you know, like enough mineral reserves or nervous system is in a solid plate. So um Kyle Peche, who I work with a lot, like he's really got me onto like the Klingheart parasite protocols where you're working with like ozonated oils that are just like a little bit more gentle in the system rather than like, you know, harsh antiparasitics. And at most, it's like you're you know, you're oxygenating your system. So like what can really go wrong there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

I love no, that's that's I I agree with everything you said there. And I I'm a fan of the oxygenization uh sub protocols. I think you know, those are my favorite antimicrobial protocols if I'm gonna do one. But so I've got a few things to say. First, first, let me just say a quick story because I it just came to my mind and I think I think it's kind of funny, and then I'm gonna get into the parasite thing. But I don't know if I've ever shared this, but it's I well, I shared part of this before, but um I I was on antibiotics growing up, like age you know, zero to four, so just not great. But I had such a terrible like fungal overgrowth. I didn't know I didn't have like athletes for doing anything outward, but like, and I didn't realize it at the time, but I mean I couldn't even drive in broad daylight when I was a teenager. Like when I got my license when I was 16, like I would fall asleep within five minutes of driving. Like I fell asleep on a 15-minute drive to get my license renewed when I was 17 years old. So, like in broad daylight, right? So it was just such, and I always felt drunk. I could never walk a straight line. I was always running into stuff. Like, you know, I just had such a terrible overgrowth and it was releasing all these metabolites and aldehydes and everything else. So, and then you know, who knows how long that was there, probably from basically, you know, birth till maybe now, I don't know, a few years ago. It's it's much better now. But when I was 19, you know, 15 years ago, I started, you know, tried to do because like everyone's first thing is a candida cleanse, I feel like. When they get into natural health, everyone's like, we gotta do a candy. Started doing it, felt awful. Like, you know, so then I stopped. I didn't understand the Herc reactions at that point. I did it a few times over a few years, kept feeling bad. I didn't understand that it was dying off. Then I understood that finally when I was living in Hawaii, and I was like, all right, how do we get rid of this? And somehow I got sucked into buying this, the supplement from Thailand. It was like CCWS, I think, uh maybe chitin cell wall suppressor. And it was like this, you know, it was like over a hundred dollars, of course. And it was like just this enzyme that was supposed to break down the cell wall of candida so your body could overtake. I don't know. It was just hilarious. I was taking so much stuff. I'm living with my sister and a couple roommates at the time. They're like, what are you doing? And it was it was just really funny. But anyway, that was the candida story. And then, but the point is, it's you know, toxicity that the yeast was the antibiotic use. One can inhibit, you know, the body from detoxing mercury and things. When I was younger, a lot of probably a lot of mercury passed on. My mom had a ton of fillings in her mouth amalgams, and then just, you know, kind of destroying the gut, and then the yeast or fungus is just there, you know, kind of moving forward. But anyway, with parasites, I think the way I look at parasites is sorry, I just had to share that. I don't know, that's completely unnecessary. But with parasites, I kind of look at them like metals, is it's less effective when then we when we try to directly target them. Kind of like if we try to directly chelate a metal, yes, it can be helpful and it can remove some, but maybe not the best approach opposed to getting the body to naturally eradicate them. Same with parasites, yes, we can directly go after them and attack them, but maybe not as essential or as helpful as getting the body to naturally get rid of them on their own. So I think the body kind of dumps parasites just like it dumps metals. We have to encourage the body to dump heavy, I mean, you can bind to stuff in the GI tract and you can kill parasites in the GI tract, but they're not just in the in the gut, right? They're in tissues all over the body. You know, parasites inhabit toxic tissue. So in order to get some of those deeper level parasites, I think we have to get the body to let go of the parasites by healing the tissue, just like we have to encourage the body to let go of the metals from the tissue by, you know, that could be nervous system work or whatever it is, just encouraging the body to do so. And because a lot of people have taken all sorts of antiparasitic medications, the ivermectin, fenbenazols, all these different things. And then they'll do like even just zoge. Some people say they start passing parasites and they never passed parasites before on the antiparasitics. And it's like, you know, it's not even an antiparasitic, but it just was encouraging the body. And same with mineral balancing, same with a lot of different approaches that are encouraging the body to naturally release things. So I I I never was into parasite cleansing pre-COVID. Like I always was like, I just, I just was always unaware, so I never did it. And then I temporarily kind of got sucked into the antiparasite thing during COVID because everyone is doing it. I'm like, all right. Well, actually, what I did was I'm like, I wasn't feeling good still. I'm like, I'm gonna do the exact opposite approach of what I think is true, just in case I'm completely wrong. So I went to um and I have nothing against this guy, Dr. Simon Yu, you know, kind of a world famous doctor in St. Louis who does the antiparasite parasite programs. I read his book and he did he has a lot of great stuff. He talks about you know the infected teeth as huge, you know, stressors and all sorts of stuff. And I'd already gotten my root canal treated tooth out and all this stuff. But uh, and I I like this guy, but I I went there and I was like, all right, I'll try this. I'll take his five you know, high dose prescription anti-parasite medications, um kind of going against everything that I thought was a good idea. Did it, complete the disaster, didn't do anything, was like stressing out my organs and it just did not work at all. It was passing zero parasites, nothing was working. So, and then then I was like, okay, I'm back to my other approach of you know letting them, letting my body naturally deal with them type of thing. But I think now, like you said, I think there can be benefit to these things. It's just all about what is kind of the net effect. Because one person might take an ivermectin or an antiparasitic and it might make them more toxic in the sense that the parasite was holding on to a heavy metal or a toxic element, and you just killed the parasite, the parasite then released that heavy metal. And then if the body can't get it out, that redistributes to human tissue instead of parasite tissue, and now you're more toxic. On the other hand, let's say you took someone else took it, it killed the parasite, the body was able to excrete the heavy metal or toxicant, then they're probably better off. So I think it's case by case, it all depends on the body's natural detox and clearance. Um but I think I think in general, at least starting off, it's better to do the detox approach, cleaning up the environment, you know, working on, you know, if you can oxygenate the tissues somehow, which has a lot more to do than just doing an oxygen therapy, which can be great as well. But you know, raising the cellular voltage, raising the oxygen, optimizing pHs are all kind of the same thing, then the body will just start dumping these things. Because, and I'll stop stop ranting in in one minute. I'm just gonna keep going for a second. I'm on a roll hair. Yeah, yeah, totally. So one of the things that kind of clicked to my mind was I'm like thinking about, I think I saw like a dead raccoon or something uh on the road, or I don't know. And I was like, you know, it's complete, you can just see it's like you can just know it's completely infested with all sorts of parasites and microbes. I'm like, did all those things just show up all of a sudden, or were they already in the raccoon's body? And then when it died and had no oxygen and it just wasn't, you know, there was no life anymore, did they just activate basically or you know, come from within? And I feel like in my mind, it's like, yes, most of them came from within, and a lot of these things are actually there to serve a purpose. And I think a lot of parasites are there to help decompose the body. Same with yeast. It's like, I think it's it's it's it will decompose the body when you have a yeast infection or a chronic parasitic overgrowth. It's like your body is prematurely decomposing because the tissue is dying. Like they're doing their job. So if you just kill them, they're going to come back if the tissue has not been repaired. Maybe killing them gives the body enough of a break that the tissue repairs. Maybe it doesn't. If it doesn't, then killing them, they're just going to keep coming back. And most of the people I talked to, like probably 80%, the parasites just keep coming back every time they kill them because they haven't repaired the tissue, the underlying cause. So they're just, they're there for a reason. So anyway, that's the whole parasite thing. I wanted to get your opinion on it because I it's interesting. And at this point, one of my main philosophies of health is if everyone's doing something, just completely go in the opposite direction.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

100%. It's it's so true. Yeah. I feel like I've, I mean, like I've done parasite cleanses in the past, didn't see anything released. Like I remember like all that I could, you know, I was having like anxiety. I looked like I was nine months pregnant because I was so bloated during a parasite cleanse. Like I was stressing out my kidneys and liver, and then, you know, just doing mineral balancing and like doing, you know, nervous system work. I mean, I will say that at a certain point I was doing liver flushes, and I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but I was releasing liver flukes that literally were metallic. Like they would look like little, like, and like egg sacs that were fully metallic. And that for me, it was like, holy shit, like I must have been so metal toxic that these liver flukes have just been consuming the metals that they like, like, you know, those metallic balloons that you get for your birthday. Like, that's what it looked like. I was like, I can't believe that this was inside of me. Um so like my theory is that like that was just like full of you know metals and stuff. But yeah, it was it was quite interesting to, you know, see that. And then like I've released so much like biofilm just by doing like enemas, like things like modified citrospectin that, you know, are known to break down biofilms. And then of course, like, you know, the Zoocharge and other um binders in combination with like the nervous system work and that alone for me, like sometimes we'll even release like I'll sometimes release gallstones during my coffee animas, you know? And so like we don't need these very aggressive like techniques and technologies, like if the body is primed. So yeah, I completely agree.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Yeah, I think and I think that what I always come back to is detox and just the art, the wellness is an art, right? And there's a lot of different approaches, and it's kind of identifying what is working best for you. And and it's you know, just because you see someone else on social media or talk to a friend and something worked for them doesn't mean it's a good idea. It doesn't mean it works, is gonna work for you. And and then there's all these other paradoxes where maybe something's helpful in the short term, but it's detrimental in the long term, and there's all these things, and it can trick people because you could you could drink a poison and feel better for a little while because it's distracting the immune system. And then the bot so you're feeling better, but then it's poisoning you long term. Like mercury used to be a therapy, like a long time ago. They used to give people mercury first, you know. So it's it's just interesting. But back to the oxygenization, you mentioned the cling heart parasite protocol. I do like oxygenating therapies because, like, really, if you're if your body is well oxygenated, like in the on the tissue level, not just the blood, not just like a you know pulse oximeter in the blood, but like on the tissue level, if your body is oxygenated, you're pretty much going to be healthy. Like it's it might be the best overall marker of health. Cellular voltage, I read Dr. Jerry's tenet book a number of years ago, healing is voltage, his cancer version, and just he was correlating like basically pH to cellular voltage, two oxygen, they're pretty much all the same. When your voltage is high, your cells are holding the charge, they're able to hold oxygen. It's kind of like a nutrient. I say oxygen is the most important nutrient in your body, it provides up to 90% of your mitochondrial energy. If if you're not absorbing normal nutrients, you're probably not absorbing oxygen well because there's a little cellular voltage issue. And then people talk about the pH stuff, but you know, just eating an alkaline foon isn't going to alkalize your body, essentially, right? It's it's like when your voltage is high, the pH will be higher. So I think, you know, like chlorine dioxide. I don't know if do you have like that's one of my favorites. What do you do?

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Not yet. I actually bought some recently. So I'm, you know, I'm all ears. Um I'll probably pick your brain after the podcast to hear how you use it. Yeah, I've I've heard amazing things for sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Yeah. So there's there, I like things, I'm kind of looking for things that are that can do no harm, you know, one of the first principles of medicine, but it just that are that are safe, effective, cheap for a lot of people, accessible. And I think, I think there's because there's different levels of oxygen therapy. I've been using like actual oxygen systems for almost eight or nine years now, which are great, but it's like most people are not gonna buy oxygen systems for their house. Then you can do, you know, like ozone, like rectal ozone and soflation, or you know, blood ozone. There's different strategies, which are great, but once again, less access um accessible and potentially more you gotta be a little bit more careful with those. Then you can do like ozone soft gels and things that are just working in the GI tract, those are okay as well. And then there's things like chlorine dioxide that are oxygenating. Uh, I I like things that that are not necessarily working on like specific pathways, they're just going in and oxygenizing and letting the body kind of use that energy for whatever it wants. But definitely the first time I took chlorine dioxide, just come just like, well, you know, you're supposed to start with like a drop, and then the protocol was like a drop a day, 10 times a day, one drop, 10 times. The next day, two drops, 10 times, work up to 10. So I did like one drop, maybe 10 times day one, and then I went straight to 10 drops day two. I'm like, this is no problem. Right, this is great.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

And like woke up that night just throwing up, and then I was so completely nauseated by the spell of chlorine dioxide and I couldn't take it for like three years. But it's it it's interesting stuff. So lots of good stuff out there. Um, let's talk about binders. So you mentioned a couple good ones, pectosulsius, church, etc. Kind of what are what are your kind of do's and don'ts of of binders? What do you like? What have you found that maybe hasn't worked as well for you?

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Yeah, for sure. And let me know if the mic ends up being really loud because it's starting to hail here, like crazy or something, but it's fine. Okay, great. Um, yeah, so with binders, I mean, yeah, so modified such aspect and zeocharge, like those are typically my go-to's. Like I'll use enteros gel for people like with GI issues that are very sensitive. So like if someone has like, you know, histamine issues, mass activation syndrome, or they have like GI stuff, I find enteros gel is helpful, like especially in combination with Zeocharge for acute food poisoning. I find it those two to be really helpful as well. I'm not a fan of like almost any other binder. Like I think, you know, there's so many different binders out there. Like obviously, we've talked about in my podcast, like the zeolite sprays that I find a lot of people like, you know, rave about. But I've actually had so many people come to me and mention like they've gotten like kidney issues from that, um, like their kids ended up in the hospital from that. So there's just like a lot of, yeah, just like a lot of things that I, you know, reasons why I wouldn't recommend that. Um not a fan of charcoal. I think it's great for acute food poisoning as well, but definitely not for, yeah, like long-term use because it's really dehydrating and it really like absorbs a lot of minerals. And then I'm personally not a fan of most binder blends, just because, you know, sometimes you don't really know the dosage, and like oftentimes there is like zeolite in there, and we don't really know like the type of zeolite, like the dosage of zeolite. And so I'm kind of cautious a lot of those. But if I had to choose one that like I'll use occasionally, it would be like the quicksilver um GI detox, I think it's called. So, yeah, that's that's like my take on binders, and then of course, right, like always making sure that you're like well hydrated and that you're like remineralizing the body if you're using certain binders long term, but yeah, specifically for like like easy everyday use, like my go-tos are like zeocharge and modified citruspectin.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

Yeah, perfect. And and let's talk quickly about the dosing and and uh you know, and I think your experience was a little bit different. You can touch on it and with if you want to on the zoo charge, but the have you found kind of the dosing to be important in terms of taking enough of it opposed to microdosing?

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Yeah, 100%. I mean, I'm obviously like an interesting case, as you know. Like I've my body has been reacting a lot better to smaller dosages, but I think it's more so something that like happened. So for for context, like I was taking, I think it was like the first or the second day, coincidentally, like that I was taking the Zio Charge when I had the ice bath experience. And so for me, like my body, even though it had nothing to With that, because obviously I was in a 32-degree ice bath. It's like it's basically like a mental thing that I can't get over. So for me, like my body feels safer generally with smaller doses, but like in every single one of my clients, I observe the opposite. So typically, if someone has a reaction to like one tablespoon, I'll have them coated two to two to four. And like 95% of time, that's better tolerated. Like I feel like I have like maybe like two to three clients where still they'll have reactions. And so then we end up going with like a different product that's just like a better suited for that time. But yeah, 100% like dosing matters a lot. Like I've had multiple clients that were, you know, getting like rashes and breakouts on like one or two tablespoons and then would switch to four to five and everything would go away. So yeah, I definitely think that dosing matters so much. Um, and it's interesting because almost every other binder I would say the opposite, right? Like even with modified citrus spectin, like some people can tolerate one scoop and I'll have them start at like a third or even less than that. Um, even with like there's one other type of zeolite that I like for occasional use, which is like the KI Zolite from Klinghearts as well. And like that one's really well tolerated in like a little pinch or like little bits at a time. Um, whereas yeah, like with ZO charts, because it's so like powerful, and I typically recommend higher doses.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Yeah, yeah. No, it's interesting. That's yeah, that's that's the majority. It's one of those things that people have to understand it's not it's with any with any general rule, it's not a hundred percent. So everyone's gonna has to figure out for themselves what is the right dose. What are you comfortable with? If you're 100% terrified to take two scoops and you think it's going to like destroy you, then don't do it because just the the like that that mental aspect of it, like that belief of it is probably gonna be more powerful than the product itself, right? So it's like you have to do what you believe in. So that's where it's like, you know, educate yourself and just do what you believe in. But and then it's like I believe there's like the body remembers things, so there's like almost like detox PTSD, right? Or it's like for sure.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

I've yeah, I've noticed that a lot with multiple supplements. So like I'll take it and like it hasn't even hit my gut yet, and I'll have a reaction. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is like fully, you know, like based on like a memory or a belief, or yeah, it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

So that's that's there's so many factors that it makes things makes things way more complicated. But all right, so let's say let's talk about maybe three things on social media trends that you are maybe think people should reconsider before they hop right into it.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Peptides, man, you know, like I think that's like one of the biggest ones out there right now that I'm like really trying to bring caution to because A, you know, like most of the peptides on the market, like with how much it's booming right now, like there's no long-term studies on this. Like we have no clue what it does in the body. Like, I do believe that there's some peptides, like if you know, like the sourcing is great, like maybe like the BPC 157 or like a KPV, like I'm very certain from the knowledge that I have and the research that I've done, which is quite minimal compared to like, you know, other research that we have that might be like hundreds of years worth, but at least this is long enough use and it's you know, doing things that I wouldn't really question. Like again, I personally don't take them yet. Um, I say yet because who knows that might change one day. But um I think, you know, overall blink bringing inflammation down in the body can be helpful for some people. Where I get more curious and careful is like the GLP ones, even in microdosis, like other types of um peptides that like specifically influence things in the body that we actually don't really know what they do long term. And I got a really, really awesome email from this lady. Her name is I think Justine Singer or Singer on Instagram. Um she had an awesome email about basically what GLP1s do for people in the holistic health space. Because a lot of practitioners right now, like for mast cell activation, for sensitive peoples, are saying, like, you know, take low dose GLP1s and it will actually help reduce your mast cell flares. But yeah, because right, like there's GLP1 receptors on those mast cells. And so like we're basically we're like shutting down something and telling our clients, like, okay, we're healing your mast cell activation syndrome. But as soon as they stop the GLP1s, like comes back. And I've actually observed this in some people in the health space who are promoting the GLP1s and other peptides from a place like this is healing my mast cell activation syndrome, it's healing my Lyme, it's healing my, you know, whatever condition they have. And I think we need to be really careful with those terms and like saying those things because in reality, you know, when you stop the peptides, you still have the condition. And so um, I just get curious, just like with everything else, it's like you're suppressing something that we don't really know the implications of long term. And just when you're suppressing a symptom, you're not really dealing with the root cause, right? Like you might have like muscle activation syndrome because you have like some issues with like the limbic system, it might be toxicity, right? Like if you have heavy metals like that are just irritating your brain and nervous system, like a peptide isn't really gonna help those those heavy metals leave the body, right? So um, I mean, who knows? Like maybe it has some influence, but I would say like that's the biggest space that I'm very cautious of in this moment. And I do want to say, like, I'm totally open to being wrong if in a couple years like we see different data, but I just think the same way that people are cautious when you know the the COVID shot rolled out. I think we need to be very careful with like all of these peptides that are now funded by the government and FDA approved, and like we don't really know like what we're literally injecting ourselves with.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

And yeah, just so that's like the I couldn't agree more, but I have two two statements, two power statements, if I can remember that same to me. Just because it makes you feel better doesn't mean it's good for you. Just because it's natural doesn't make make it healthy. And I think that's the trick. A lot of people say, Oh, it's working for me. It might be working against you, making you feel better because it's working against your body's natural process. I I say the exact same thing about peptides. I with anything that's one one, all I have to know is that it's trending so hard, I'm just gonna stay away from it for like five years. Yeah, and then we'll just see what happens. And it's like you have the mainstream come out with something like the GLP1 uh drugs, and then you have the natural community, which is basically at this point mimicking the medical community, except they're trying to use more natural forms of drugs, but they're still altering the same biochemical pathways, and just because you're using a natural version, even if it's an herb or something, it's it might still be. Is it do you want to be fighting against the body's natural process like that? So 100%, I'm I'm with you. I'm open to it. It's like, hey, great, but just because you're feeling better from something, we don't know what it's doing to you long term, because if you shut down your body's natural detox process, you're gonna feel pretty good. Like if you're releasing all sorts of toxic stuff and you're feeling bad on the way out when it's coming out, and you stop that process, which I think a lot of drugs do, which is why they make you feel good, it doesn't mean you're getting better, it means you're getting worse long term, you're feeling better short term because your body is right, you know, substituting one for the other. So I don't know. That's that's a great perspective. I love it. Um, yeah, you're just I'm we're on the same page 100% on this stuff. So all right, do you have any anything else that pops to your mind on like social media trends that you're kind of like eh?

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Um, I mean, obviously we already talked about this, but like the parasite cleanses. Um, I also would say like most diets, you know, like it's it's another thing, like any trends of like keto, carnivore, like veg raw veganism. Like, I feel like there's just all these trends of people that just tell you like this is the way to do it. I think oftentimes, like, same thing. If something makes you better, it doesn't mean it's good for you, right? Like, I know that a lot of people in like the carnivore community will say, like, oh, it's healing my gut. Well, no, you're just starving all your microbes and you get reactions when you're, you know, eating FOTMAT rich foods that are fermenting and creating, yeah. So, like, that's one side of the story. And the other side is like if you're eating a vegan diet or you're just drinking juices and like your conditions clear up, like, yeah, of course, because your body doesn't have the energy to digest protein right now. And so you're going to feel better short term, but like you're, you know, making your issues worse long term. And so I observe a lot of that in the community where like everyone's so focused on, oh, this makes me feel good, without actually looking into like the things that happen in the body on such a deep level. And I think we are living in like quite a dangerous time where one person, and I, you know, myself included, right, I have to be very careful with what I put out on social media because I know that people trust my opinion. So if I say this thing works, I know that there's gonna be 50 to 100 people that will buy the product and use it. And so, unless I know what it does in the body, um, like I can't promote it. And I've actually turned down many, you know, brand partnerships for that reason because I'm like, okay, well, I couldn't tell people to use it. And it's still tricky because like there's some brands that I do promote, but I wouldn't promote every single one of their products. And I'll have people ask me sometimes, like, hey, you know, would you recommend me taking the liposomaglutathion of this brand? And I'm like, no, I actually wouldn't, even though I do promote that brand and I do ads for them, right? Because it's like just, and this is another thick thing, it's like just because a brand makes one product that can be life-changing for someone else, don't just assume that every product that they create is gonna be good for you. And that's kind of where we, you know, we tend to kind of like lose ourselves a lot.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Yeah, no, that's that's great. This is a you're just dropping some truth bombs all over the place today. This is this is some good stuff. So this is awesome. Um, all right, we'll we'll wrap it up. It seems like another question, but we'll we'll probably be good. Tell everyone like what do you want to tell them? Like, how do people work with you? How do they how do they learn more about you, what you're doing, how do they follow you, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Yeah, so I share a lot of stuff on social media, um, like lots of free information. I run free webinars, free masterclasses all the time. So that's gonna be just at my first.lastname, so at Ava.hoft. And yeah, I mean, my website's on there in the link in bio. You can find out more information about my group programs. I'm about to launch like a whole free mini masterclass series about like specific topics like parasites, candida, and just giving people a bit more direction of like, you know, my view and what we do in my practice. So I'm very excited for that to launch. And I would say like that's you can find almost everything there. Like, I'm very responsive in the DMs. I really make sure that like, you know, every message that comes in gets answered. Um, and so you know, if you have questions about the programs or one-on-one work, like all of that can be found on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

That's fantastic. All right. Any any closing words of wisdom or advice or anything?

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Yeah, I guess I guess the only thing that comes up for me is like just like trust your timing, you know. Like I think people get so obsessed with like feeling better in a certain timeline, like, oh, I I want to go to Europe this summer, I need to feel better by then. Like, there's all this pressure, and like the deeper that I go into this work and the more that I learn also about like, you know, like karmic imprints and astrology, like there's just so many forces at play here that influence someone's healing timeline and all the lessons that they're learning through it. So, like I would say to everyone listening or to everyone that's on our healing journey, just be grateful that you're learning the lessons you're learning, that you have access to all the tools that you have access to, because most people on the planet, you know, they just feel horrible their whole life. They never even get to heal. So rather than rushing through it, you know, just being the journey and seeing, like trying to make fun of like the little pieces, even though they're annoying sometimes. Like I make it so fun when I'm going through a detox reaction. Like I'm just watching like a Disney movie or like going to the movie theater, you know, like doing fun things because I know that there's gonna be a time in my life where like, you know, I don't deal with that volatility sometimes of detoxing metals, and then it's gonna be go time, you know. Like you don't really take as much time to really slow down and do those things. So I always try to have people enjoy it as much as they can and just be in the moment with things.

SPEAKER_01 56:00

So that's perfect. I think it, yeah, I like to look at it detox symptoms as turbulence, and it's like yeah, you have the turbulence on an airplane, but then when you get to the destination, it's worth it. Yeah type of thing. Exactly. So awesome. Well, this was a lot of fun. I always appreciate it. Thank you for everything that you're doing to make the world a healthier and happier place, and you're so awesome in every way. And uh thanks for coming on today. Look forward to next time.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Thank you.