SPEAKER_01 0:01

All right, we are back for another episode of the Detox Experience. Thanks for joining us. And today we have Matthew Kaufman. How are you doing, Matt?

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Doing great. Glad to be here. I know we've been talking about it for a while.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Yeah, this is fun. So you you were I was on your podcast, which was one of the first podcasts I had been on, and I've been on quite a few since, and now I've got my own, so kind of kind of cool to see on the other end of the camera.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Yeah, it's great to be here. I've always uh resonated with your product. We've always kind of hit it off as far as I would say I probably talk to you some of the most in like the entire health community, even though like I, you know, go to these shows and see people. But you've always just been cool and down to earth, and we've always just kind of hit it off and kind of had similar ideologies, so I think it'll flow together pretty well.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Yes, yeah, we definitely we always have a lot to talk about. It's pretty cool, just a lot of similarities with kind of our journeys, and then just both starting, you know, supplement companies and you know growing them and and pretty cool stuff. So we'll get into all that, but let's start off. We're gonna talk a lot about detox today. So do you have if you could define detox or just describe what detox is in your own words, how would you how would you describe that?

SPEAKER_00 1:07

Um it's definitely ever ever evolving even today. Uh I think with with the health space as we continue. I've even been like now kind of um in the world of like doing peptides and things. So I think it's ever evolving. If you ask me again in two years, I might even um have a different uh evolution of it. But it you know, it is the body it needs to clean up and get rid of all of this kind of cellular debris that we've obtained. And and I and I think it's generational, and people want to sometimes harp on like the neuroticism of like where it came from. And and every once in a while, you could be someone like me, right? I had two actual acute exposures, which is uh generally more rare. Like I had seven mercury fillings that I had in for like 15 years and they were drilled out improperly, didn't know anything about it when they were drilled out. Um, definitely started having more uh kind of health issues and emotional stuff after that looking back. And then I also lived in Flint when it was the lead crisis, and so I didn't ever drink the water, but I didn't know as much back then, so I was showering in it, you know, multiple times a day, right? So I think I definitely breathe in and I have uh eliminated quite a bit of lead. So most people they don't really know where it even comes from. Um, and I think it's generational. I think we're like you know, multiple generations into um just the industrial revolution. We use these heavy metals and these plastics and all of these things that you know get stored inside of our body just in for convenience, right? Pots, pans, plastic wrappers, like we kind of can't go without it. You know, some of it's a little bit more nefarious where it's like you know, the toxins are right in your drinking water or they're spraying it in the sky if you're into geoengineering and stuff like that. But a lot of it is just generational. You know, grandma built up some, maybe had some mercury fillings, passed it to mom, but it wasn't like you know, super noticeable, but then mom built up a little bit more, and then you know, then you got, you know, we're getting into this generation that I think is even behind me that's a lot worse. Like I see the kids now, and not only do they look very sick, they have you know bags under their eyes, they're very pale, they look kind of skeleton and don't hold weight very well, or they overeat, you know, they they they look pretty bad. So I think we're getting into an even worse situation. Um, but I think it's just overall, it is the body, it has this innate ability when we have good mineral status, when we have our organs of elimination working, when we are have our lymph flowing, when we move, you know, we've become a lot more sedentary as well in today's society. We have this innate ability naturally to detox a lot, but I think we've hit uh you know, we're above a threshold now, and we can't really um go about our lives like we used to be able to, you know, you've seen your grandma drinking Cokes or drinking whiskey, and it was kind of all all fine. A lot of us can't really live our life like that. We kind of have to look at uh detoxification as like a daily thing, and it sucks to go through. Anybody who's ever eliminated some heavy metals knows it's rough. Like it can you can definitely be a roller coaster. Sometimes you feel like you're on top of the world, and then you have a couple weeks where you feel like everything's going wrong, even though nothing's going wrong, you just feel completely you know wiped out and depressed and stuff. It's a pretty crazy and bizarre experience. Uh, but you do continuously get better. And so I think we have to learn how to bring back some of that innate intelligence that our body has uh has always used to detox things that got introduced to us, but since it is be at a level that we can't keep up with anymore, we have to have different strategies in 2026, which looks like things like Zocharge. I preach a lot about mineral balancing. There's other ways that you can go about this that people have success with, you know, with parasite cleanses and colon cleanses and you know, saunas are really big, but you do at least have to try to grasp some understanding of detoxification in today's world, I think, or it is gonna creep up on you. Mine happened to creep up on me when I was like 30, and I was just completely I knew that something was totally off. There's no way I should have felt that bad being, you know, 30 years old. Whereas if you may creep into your 30s, into your 40s, and it slowly starts to decline, and you might just chalk it up to old age. But I do think the level of toxicity today is gonna catch up with most everybody if they don't start to uh incorporate some of these practices that we talk about, and so it's kind of a long-winded answer, but I think it just basically means that your body needs to get rid of kind of the cellular debris, and it's kind of lost the ability to do it in today's world, and we have we have ways to go about it. Um, you just kind of have to be do your due diligence. It is kind of a uh it's dedication and it's work, so it kind of sucks. We should just be able to kind of live our lives and eat healthy and be more normal, but um, everybody that I know that goes through like multi-year long uh detoxification, they're definitely more vibrant. Uh brain function seems to be working better. Like you start to be more normal the more you detox. I feel like I can go out and have like like we actually had my anniversary with my wife, and I had a couple martinis and dessert and stuff that I like could not have even thought about doing like a couple years ago. Or if I did do that a couple years ago, I'd be like wiped out for like four days. Like it would just wouldn't even be worth it. Um, so you you start to become more normal the more you detox, which is like it sounds crazy in the beginning because you're spending all this time like just solely focusing on like coffee enemas and getting every all these parasites out, and like normal people are like, What like what the hell is this guy doing? And then like you hit this like this kind of place where you're like, Oh, now I don't really care if I get introduced to a couple microplastics or you know, uh uh I'll eat some chocolate that probably has a couple heavy metals in it, or whatever. You start to become a lot more normal because the body has a little bit more of an ability to capture things, and we have things like zoo charge and mineral balancing to like to help us on the back end as well.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Yeah. No, that's awesome. So one one question, just curious. You talked about a couple times you mentioned generational toxicity, right? Just or how the you know toxicity is passed on, right, from the mother to the child. Do you think there's like the the body like when the body when you're born with toxicity is I don't know what what I'm trying to ask here. When you're born with toxicity, is there like does the body just start from the very beginning acting in a different way, like adapting to those metals, or or I don't know. I don't know. Just just talk a little bit more about the generation generational toxicity aspect and how that's impacting people from such an early age.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah, I think one of the it's been a while since I looked into the like generational studies or whatever, but the the one big one that I think people talk about a lot is um they were doing, I believe it was like brain autopsies on like stillborn. Obviously, you're not gonna run an autopsy on a child that lives, but there was you know, stillborn babies coming out, you know, dying, you know, um stuff like that. And they're sort of like trying to get some data maybe on like what could be occurring, and I am pretty sure they linked the exact amount of uh mercury fillings that the mom had to the amount of mercury that they found in the brains of the children that were stillborn. So that's just one way. We can't really tell how much is passed down specifically, but we can tell from that just that alone that something it is kind of like a protective mechanism, I think, of the mother. To be sad, sad to say, it is one way she can actually detox quite efficiently. She can pass them on to the child. So now that's why I like mineral balancing, so that the minerals are coming in and maybe less of the metals are getting passed down because now we have like the supplementation route. But mom will pass them down, and um, I can just tell you guys from my experience with my child, um, Cole, my wife, I had her on mineral balancing for I believe it was like a year or year and a half, like a year and a half before she got pregnant, all through pregnancy, all through breastfeeding, and then I tested my child, and he still had high levels of lead and aluminum. And then we've now done a retest, and he was dumping arsenic. We've seen a couple parasites come out, and not only mineral balancing, like my wife and I, like she's yoga instructor, uh, you know, personal trainer. We've been eating like regenerative organic foods for you know for a long time, really. We went vegan in like 2017, and all that was like organic, even though I don't think it's the proper diet. And once I switched off of being vegan, we've just been doing like grass-fed everything, pasture-raised everything, eating from whole foods. Now we eat everything from local farms, even like even a step above that. So we're very clean people. I, you know, I do water filtration, I do air filtration, I do shower filtration. So it's like you would think we would check all of the boxes where my son would basically have no heavy metals, and it just wasn't the case. So I have like a direct experience, and then there also is some science that shows that it happens. And I think that's one of the reasons that um some children may respond to vaccines a little bit worse. I don't think it's always just the vaccine itself. I think the mom doesn't know her level of toxicity sometimes, passes it down to the child. He may already have a certain threshold he's at from the toxicity, and then we do the injections. There's way too many of them, we do them way too fast. I mean, I I hate vaccines, I'm not you know promoting them. I just think sometimes the the poor response to them is the child's loads probably already really high, and then we add in more, and it's in a very unnatural way where it can kind of go in the bloodstream and get straight to the brain. Um, as opposed to like some kids have all the vaccines and there's you know not much, you know, they're not you don't really notice much. Kids are ha seem healthy, seem normal, no problems. So it's like, what is that? Could it could just be genetics, could be luck. Um, but I think there could be something to do with the toxicity that was already passed down. It's already a little bit higher, but but we don't, you know, you don't know. The baby just comes out, looks like a baby, but then you add in more, and they can't tolerate it. And heavy metals do have um, you know, they shut down those enzyme systems. So I think that we, if you're born like a little bit more heavy metal tox toxic, then like your detox capability starting as a child becomes lower. And then then the whole lifetime that you have, every time you're introduced to a heavy metal, when you're young and vibrant, you should be able to remove those incoming daily stressors that we that we get through whatever tap water and food, I think they have less of an ability to to get rid of those because they started off a little bit behind. So when those when those heavy metals you know are shutting down your detox pathways and you know you don't have good glutathione status and you're little, um, I think the body does hold on to them quite a bit more. So you just you kind of start off behind the race.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah.

unknown 11:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

No, that's that's good information. It just made me think. I mean, it's it's kind of counterintuitive because you would think that the more toxic you are, the faster the body would detox to try to get things out out faster, but really it's the opposite. The more toxic you become, the slower you're the slower your body detoxes, and it becomes kind of this snowball effect that just you know affects you in such a negative way. But then on the other end, as you start getting cleaner and you're detoxing over you know many months, then you start accelerating your detox because the healthier you become, the faster you detox, right? So it can work in both ways, but you know, I guess that the key to getting ahead is getting started. One thing we've talked about a lot is is the the amount of time needed, right? And I know it just annoys both of us when someone's like, oh no, I I've already detoxed at a you know a 30-day juice cleanse or something, and you think they've got like all the metals out of their body. So what do you think in term a realistic timetable? If someone's doing even the best, you know, best quality detox protocol in the world, how long do you think it would take realistically for someone that, you know, let's say someone's 40 years old, they accumulated quite a bit of toxicity, how long is it gonna take for them to get a lot of that stuff out of their out of their body?

SPEAKER_00 13:05

I know. I always always sound like the boogeyman too when I get asked this question, because I personally think it's like two to four years, uh, depending depending on how toxic you are. So there's, you know, there's never just like a time frame you can give any any but any given person, but there's like layers to it. It's like some of my clients, when I start them off on Zo charge and and minerals, they can they can kind of breeze through and handle the detox like a lot better than someone who's maybe got a bunch of diagnoses or is sicker. So if I have to start you super low and slow, and we don't really even ramp it up for like six months, eight months, you're gonna definitely be on the longer end of that trajectory because you you you know, you were detoxing this whole time, but your your system was so shut down that I couldn't really push too much on it. We're kind of like pumping the brakes, but just getting getting little by little out. So you're gonna take a lot longer. And then somebody who can handle a little bit more out of the out of the jump, now they might be on the shorter end of that. Maybe they and and I I've went back and forth. I really don't know why some people eliminate faster and why they eliminate with less symptoms. I'm not sure if that's genetic or if there is really just like underlying like complete liver stagnation that we can't see. Maybe that maybe that one person has way more liver flukes or parasites that are like kind of blocking their system up. But it's you know, we do the enemas, we do the bioflow plus, the tutkas, and sometimes people still just have a rough time. Like I was even in that camp myself because I was so sick. Uh so I like to say like two to four years, to be honest. I I really keep getting better myself, and it's been like three, three, like three and a half, I think, or so on on mineral balancing. And I did a bunch of shit before I even found mineral balancing, where I was like Lyme treatments and saunas all the time and enemas. So like I had done a bunch before I even started mineral balancing, and I just keep getting better and better even through I had a period I talked to you about the earlier this year where just a bunch of parasites started coming out for like it was like I think like six, seven weeks, like almost daily, multiple times a day. Pretty crazy. I thought I was through most of it, and then and then now I'm starting to like wow, like that was a big dump. Like I kind of didn't feel good for a while after that body was kind of resetting, and then now I'm starting to feel better, feel better in the gym, sleeping a lot better, less back pain. And so it's interesting how how much toxicity actually can build up in the body. I think by the time you have chronic symptoms, that it's it's it's a lot. Like if you catch it, most the problem is most people don't catch it in the very beginning because we don't really seek help until it's like pretty bad. No one seeks help when they get a little bit of anxiety or a little bit of joint pain. Like they just keep going through their day. They don't want to spend their money, they don't want to focus on it, they think everything's gonna be okay. We generally don't even start trying until like it's kind of hard to get through the day and we're like cooked, we're like basically in complete burnout, the adrenals are shut down, cortisol's tanked, you know, libidos tanked. That's when we start paying people and start trying things. Most people don't catch it in the very early stages, and I think by the time we do that, uh, which is which is fair. Like, I I would I didn't want to spend my money when I just kind of felt somewhat off. I would drink a coffee or whatever and just like keep going. Like I didn't really like you're you don't feel like paying people when you when you don't want to. Uh so I get it. As humans, we kind of we kind of play catch up with it and we we wait until it's really bad, and so that doesn't help either. But I really think that the um overwhelming the kidneys in the liver is all you really do when you're trying to push it faster. That's what I did on my program. I don't do that with my clients because I actually don't think that I it even got me anywhere any quicker. It probably just backed up some stuff, made me feel worse. Like I think the liver and the kidneys have the you know, some people have a more of a threshold than others, but I think there's like a capacity, a daily capacity to where how much toxins can you actually release in one day, and by just taking more minerals or more zoocharge, it's like, is that really doing a whole lot more? I'm not sure. It's like there's there's got to be a threshold because the kidneys and the liver are filtering everything as they come out. It's not like it's just magically getting pushed out through all the skin and the hair, or like the liver and the kidneys are getting the brunt of it. And so we have to find a pace that where you're definitely gonna be uncomfortable at times and not feel great, but also you can still like live life and you know, have you know, take care of your kids or go to work, or just depending on what you're doing. And so, you know, I I really don't sugarcoat it. I think it's like two to four years, but yeah, you do increasingly generally feel better over like it's not like you're just terrible the whole time, you do get hit sometimes and you feel like you went two steps backwards for sure. You know, full moon, you might be like, What the hell's going on? But then you see some parasites come out. But like, you know, there's like we we also do detox in these cycles, I think, with the with the moon, with with the you know, astrology, I think plays a role sometimes, uh, which gets kind of like you know, a little esoteric, but I do think we detox in cycles as well. So sometimes you're trying to push it, but in reality, it's just uh it's a waiting game with with just nature. And so um, yeah, I I think it's like two to four years because it seems like you just keep getting into like a deeper layer. Like every time you think that you're like pretty good, like another layer comes out, and it's so you're like, damn, I guess I I didn't really think I was all that bad, but I kind of got smoked there for a week. And so uh it can take a while, but you do increasingly get more energy, get more brain function back. So it's not all bad, but the bad times can feel a little down for sure.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Yeah, yeah. No, that's that's good information because I think a lot of people, just because of marketing campaigns and a lot of companies are really a lot of supplement companies and natural health promoters are really just marketers or marketing companies, and you know, it's not popular to say, or it's not an effective marketing campaign generally to say you need to take this for four years. Right for sure. If you could say, you know, this is a 30-day clan, 30-day reset, January 1st or January 31st, you know, it's it's a bigger seller, but you know, how how much is that really gonna move the needle? And I think I think what you were saying uh resonated with a lot of things you just said. One, the um the time, yeah, I totally agree. I mean, it takes a long time. I think the longer, the more toxic toxins you have and the longer you have had them, the longer it's gonna take to remove them. And part of that, I think, is is kind of the body's natural self-defense mechanism where it doesn't, it can't get rid of everything at once. Right? It's not like you can just take, you know, a super, super, super mega dose of something in one day and get everything out. It's just not how it works because it would be too stressful on the way out. It's like if you're exposed to mercury, it can be highly symptomatic, highly inflammatory. Your body tucks it into tissue. When it comes out, it's like you were exposed to the f exposed to it for the first time, because now it's back in the processing center. So it's if you could get the same exact symptoms that of mercury poisoning, like because that's what's happening, right? So if you if you mobilize too much of that, like it all at once, it's like your body probably won't like that. And then how long can you really do that? Maybe you can do that for a day or two, but then you have to take it two weeks off to recover. So I do think, you know, like you were saying, the consistency, being finding a protocol that you can take with the ups and downs, but being able to do it consistently, maybe taking some breaks, you know, occasionally, but not having to do one day on, ten days off all the time, right? Doing something where you can get your body in a groove where it's just letting go of the stuff and you're getting better. And then another thing that I've been thinking about a lot lately is just that everyone always wants to identify exactly what's making them feel terrible. And sometimes it's just more complicated. Because they're like, you know, I've been doing everything the same, but then I feel feel terrible this week. And they're trying to identify like what did I do differently? Usually they didn't do anything different at all. It's just like you mentioned the cycle. It's a cycle of detox, and there's so many uh factors that influence these cycles of detox in the body, like the full moon you mentioned, weather patterns, seasonal influences, just the natural the body's wanting to you know release a certain metal because it kind of cycles different metals that it releases, it dumps certain things and all this other stuff. So I I encourage people, it's like, hey, it's you probably didn't do anything different, it's just a different cycle that your body's going through. And and I was talking to uh in the interview I did yesterday, I was saying, I've shifted my mindset just these last few months to when I'm not feeling well, instead of being like, oh, my body's not working well and kind of getting upset about it, it's I'm more thankful. I'm like, oh, I'm passing something, this is a good thing. Like my body's willing to let go of something toxic. This is great news, you know. Thank you for for this happening, for this to be happening. Right. So just a different mindset. It's like when people get sick or you know, a cold, whatever that is, or they don't feel well, they usually think something is wrong in their body. But it it might actually be the opposite. It might be that something's working right and you're feeling worse because your body was actually letting go of something that it was holding. Maybe you're healthy enough now to detox, where before your body just wasn't wanting to do it. Kind of like if you go on vacation and sometimes you get sick because you're you calm down your nervous system and your body just calm down to the point where your body said, You know what? We can start detoxing now because we have a little more energy. And it's like it doesn't make sense, but it kind of does when you stop and think about it in terms of you know what the body's doing. So I don't know. Cool stuff.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Nervous system parts is is a big piece of it too, bringing up that vacation. It's like you'll get clients who just don't slow down. Like they they still want to run two businesses, and one's barely making any money and they're barely paying their bills. And so, I mean, I get we have to live life, but it's like sometimes it's like maybe you're not in the season for detox. Like, you know, you almost got to fire people or make them completely change. It's like, what do you keep r you know retesting for? You're not doing the enemas, you're not slowing down, you're not doing any saunas, like you're kind of just stuck here taking supplements, and it's really detox, you know, that's one of the key factors is that you have to be more parasympathetic. Even though you might be stuck in fight or flight and you have a job that you can't quit, there has to be some way you can go close your eyes on lunch break for 20 minutes in your car, and you have to wake up a little bit earlier and maybe get a couple enemas in throughout the week that are, you know, enemas are parasympathetic, saunas are parasympathetic, massages, chiropractic, whatever it looks like for you, you have to find some ways that that gets you into more parasympathetic mode and not just like drive, drive, drive because you actually you don't really get anywhere in that mind frame. And even I've had to slow down. Obviously, I was starting valence, you know, I had everything going on, added a baby in the mix. So there's been periods where I couldn't even take my own advice, but then I would slow back down when when uh when the time came and I would dump a bunch more, more parasites come out. So the parasympathetic part is very critical too.

unknown 23:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

No, absolutely. I mean, it's it's yeah, that when the body's in survival mode, it's it's nothing's gonna work as well because it's in survival mode. It's not gonna want to detox, it's not gonna want to focus on that stuff. So that's good stuff. All right, we're we're gonna get into valence, we're gonna get into mineral balancing and zoocharge here. We've got about 30 minutes left. Um, so let's first first off though, you've done a lot of stuff, right? You know, this isn't your first rodeo with detox. You you didn't find mineral balancing right away, you didn't find zoocharge right away. You did a lot of stuff. When you're looking around on just you know, talking to people on social media, you see all the stuff of people saying, you know, I spent $200,000 on my health, I spent a million dollars on my health, I spent whatever amount it is. And it's like I have to think that you know, if those people could go back, they probably wouldn't have spent all that money on the things they did. They would, you know, selectively choose the things that worked best for them. So in your experience, if you know, starting fresh, it you know, over if you if you were just starting and you were gonna detox over the next two to four years, what would you be doing? What were the top things that you'd be doing at you know, 10 to 20 grand? Uh you know, what would you be doing? And maybe what are the things that you did do that you would kind of leave aside?

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Yeah, I did a lot. The the two boring ones that I always harp on, to be honest, they're they're completely unsexy, they're completely like everybody wants the new quantum energy thing. The the literal two best things you gotta start with are air and water. I just you you can't drink tap water all day by the gallon and try to do some detox protocol. And you can't use the $30 filter from your fridge or whatever. People are like, I got a filter on my fridge. I'm like, that's just you know, that's not cutting it. I I haven't tested it, but I got a feeling it's not doing too much. So you have to buy a nice water filter. Even like Aqua True is only like 300 bucks. That one's like, I don't know if it's the best, but it's pretty decent. People seem to uh get good results with it. It's a countertop one, you don't even have to install it. 300 bucks. I think like, you know, it's way cheaper than buying glass bottles or whatever. And then uh I like to do, you know, one simple one that I tell people is I like um hypoallergenic air. They have furnace filters that have a carbon layer on it. They're the only place that I felt uh have seen do that actually. And your furnace filter is actually filtering a lot more air than any air purifier could ever dream or imagine. It's just kind of especially you're supposed to leave the fan on so that your your ducts don't grow mold. Because when you cut the fan off and on, then the the air gets stagnant and humidity can build in there and stuff. So you want to keep your fan on anyways. And so when the air and the heat and stuff's running, then it's always grabbing out these particulates. So I like the uh the HVAC system from hypoallergenic air, and then I have I have Jaspers, but I've done molecules and I've done air doctors and what whatever, but you you're literally breathing all day as well. So we've built these kind of shitty modern boxes that we live in, and the air's stagnant, and you cook in there, and grease floats around and stuff like that, and then obviously the the shower filters are kind of critical too, as far as like the water, um, just so that you're not breathing in like chloramines and chlorine and all the all the shit from that. And so those are for sure like unsexy, but I think they're pretty critical, and they could they could keep you stuck, like getting more toxins in daily that are kind of unnecessary when you're trying to also remove a lot of toxicity. It's like you're putting you're putting them back in almost as fast as you're trying to push them out, which is not good. So those are where I start, and people kind of hate it, but that's you know the unsexy version. The sauna's hands down, probably one of the best things I've ever bought. I just have a therasage one because I've rented my whole time in Tampa, so I've moved like four or five times. It just folds up, it's super light, but you can get a nicer sauna if you if you can afford that. But I think that one's like $1,500. It's literally hot. You sweat your ass off. It works for a for a portable fold up sauna. I it did 10 times better than what I actually expected it to do when I got introduced to Robbie through a buddy. I was like, uh, I don't want to spend a bunch of money, but this this looks pretty cool. And then I got it and I was like, damn, like I was sweating, it was hot. So sauna's like kind of critical in today's world. Um I really like my PEMF mat. I have from Therasage as well, but I've tried some others. Um that that one's been pretty good. Keep kind of run with that nightly before bed when my wife's putting the baby down, kind of lay on that to kind of wind down. Ozone's probably up there. Uh buying my own. Oh, you know, I was paying for like ozone IVs and stuff when I had Lyme. Um, ozone's pretty good. And um it causes some kind of hurts in people, but I think they kind of just have the what's it called by gamma. I think they have the gamma up too high and they maybe do too much, but you can kind of go lower and slower and kind of get some uh microbial. It really helps the liver and the detox pathways as well, just getting that oxygen because when you have toxicity, you do have kind of a lower oxygen state in general. So those are kind of just some of the devices from the supplement side. Obviously, I like mineral balancing, but before that, things that helped me were things like NAD patches and suppositories, worked really well. I still use a suppository or two a week on the NAD side, I think it's pretty effective. Um, but you know, I don't I I've never gotten to too much from like the NMNs and the and the oral stuff, but the the rectal ones and and the patches have have definitely shown to be efficacious uh for me. Um I always kind of maybe felt a little bit better from like NMN or I did the Wizard Sciences, you know, he does like a special version of NMN that I thought was okay, but I've always kind of gone back to uh the mitosen suppositories. And um I think you can probably do like you could probably add glutathione into into that somewhere. Uh suppositories work really well in that in that instance as well, or there's injections. Um but the that's pretty good because the the you're usually mineral and uh nutritionally depleted when you're pretty toxic, and so you need those minerals kind of as the backbone as your glut of your glutathione. So yeah, if you mineral balance for you know a bunch of years, maybe you have supreme glutathione status, but in the beginning, when things are rough, glutathione, you know, coming in like that can actually help ramp it up for a bit while you're detoxing. So I've seen some good results with that as well. Um things that have been kind of not so great. I don't know, I did um random herbs. Sometimes I feel like it's the you know, like some of them seem like they were okay, some of them seem like they weren't doing too much. I think maybe herbs are a little bit better if you're not super toxic, like they might help a little bit if you just have like a minor issue. I actually like herbs. We use some at Valence, I'm not totally opposed to them, but I do think the there's some different stuff out there that's been better for me than the herbal stuff for like lime and stuff when I had that. Um homeopathics people like. I kind of got mixed results on that. I've tried some of that. Um keto definitely doesn't work. I don't know if it doesn't work totally, but some people have okay results with it. But I see a lot of people who kind of get get zonked out in energy-wise. Um I think it's a pretty good elimination diet to run carnivore keto for a period sometimes and maybe see what you can introduce back in. But I think that's kind of like a therapy that people act like will kind of cure everything. And um especially, you know, now that I know the hair testing stuff where some people do do better on carbs and then some don't, and I've kind of had you switch switch your macros and you've kind of even noticed it, you know, without even knowing that you switch patterns sometimes. So I I think that keto and you know, super low carbs, a little overhyped, and I've always gotten kind of like constipation and joint pain and just overall really low energy when I did low carb too long. I'd feel amazing for like two to three weeks, and then I would just feel completely gassed after that. So uh those are the therapies that I kind of meh. But there's some nuggets in there, you kind of got to play and see which works for you. I've had some people that really hated ozone. I've had some people that really liked it. I think the suppositories are actually highly overlooked. I think they do a good job. Um, and you can kind of get a little bit of anything. But NAD, there's even ozone suppositories if you don't want to buy a machine from Simply O3, those are pretty good. I take those when I travel, especially like when I uh travel to Costa Rica, those helped out a lot because you get introduced to different like stuff in the water and shit there. Um, so ozone's good suppository. I would say NAD and glutathione. Okay, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

All right, so no, lots of good information there. I'm always curious of you know, people that have been, you know, people that have been doing this for a long time and they've tried, they've spent a lot of money, you know, kind of figuring out you know, for them. And each person's different. Some people, you know, some things work better for different people. So thanks for sharing that.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Yeah, if I had to keep it short, I would say air, water, sauna.

unknown 32:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

Like if I had to be like, if you want me to, like I said a lot there, air, water, sauna, check out some suppositories if you're looking for uh supplementation.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I mean, that's that's a pretty good start, you know, preventing the toxicity from coming in and then helping sweat it out with the sauna and and everything you mentioned there. I mean, if you did the sauna from Therasage and you did the water and the air, I mean that's that's all less than three grand. Yeah, for sure, for like a good water system and air.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Yeah, you know, you you could start with just the HVAC ones and and do those. Those are cheap, like 15 bucks a month. Yeah. But uh, yeah, I mean, depends on what what water you get. But you could easily get a lot of that for like you know, for sure, like three grand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

I I actually listened, I'm pretty sure it was on your podcast. I listened to your interview with the the founder of Hyperware. Did you interview? Yeah, he's yeah, it was on yours. Yeah, so I because and I bought, I don't know, I probably got 20 of those ionizers after the episode. But yeah, yeah, I've got one right in front of me. I've got one in my car because there's uh you can put it in the cigarette lighter. So I've got one of the little ionizers. I love it in the car here.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

You have the mold guard that we have?

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Oh, I've got well, I've got yeah, I've got one. Actually, I can barely reach it. It's I've got the mold, I actually unplugged the mold guard to plug in this laptop here.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

But yeah, I have one, I have one right here. I have one in like every room, and uh and then I do his furnace filters. I actually bought an HVAC system, the whole system, and then I moved and I have a different HVAC, and I don't so I have like literally a whole HVAC system in a box. So it's like kind of a waste of money, but I don't think it maybe it'll fit on the next place that I go to. Who knows?

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Well, and I I remember I don't have an H I don't even have HVAC here, so um I don't have that unit. But I remember in that interview, he was saying that's the number one thing because you could do all these you know room filters, but if you have a dirty, you know, main system like this the the HVAC, then that's where you want to start. So I think that was that was valuable information. But anyway, and good stuff. Yeah. If anyone just write away at your shout-out your podcast right now, we'll shout it out at the beginning at the end. But if anyone wants to check it out.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yeah, I have like let just shy of like 200 episodes. I've been on a little bit of a break, just kind of focusing on family and detox and growing the businesses right now. Maybe I'll come come back around to them. I just need to get like an assistant or something that's gonna help with like the booking and stuff, I think. When I come back around to it, just the reaching out and everything gets annoying. But uh there's still a lot of good information on there, I would say. Uh it's called Integrative Thoughts. So Matt Kaufman's the name.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Perfect. Yeah, and we're we're gonna get we're gonna right now go into mineral balancing and a little bit about your your company valence, but there's only there's only so much we can talk about in the next 20 minutes. So I think Integrative Thoughts Podcast is a really good place for people to go to deeper dive because you have so many episodes on mineral balancing, right? Yeah, you've got tons of content from yourself and then from other mineral balancing practitioners. So I think that's going to be really good for people that are really interested in this mineral balancing space to go and learn more. But let's start talking about it right now. What is, you know, how how'd you get into well, just whatever you want to say about mineral balancing, what you do right now, and then you can introduce kind of your supplement company as well and why you why you started that.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Yeah, it was just kind of a weird, you know. I was just still trying to figure it out. I did a $20,000 Lyme disease treatment, didn't really work. He said the Lyme was gone, but I still felt pretty awful. And I kind of got into Morley Robbins uh quite a bit, listened to a lot of his podcasts, played his audiobook a couple times, was kind of trying his little uh way of you know supplementing minerals, but he kind of only focuses on two minerals, which I sounded great because he's so appealing and he's very he's actually very smart. I don't think he has any nefarious intent. I think he just believes what he believes. Like so nothing seems like a great guy, never met him. Um and then um I just started to get into like more minerals, like he doesn't ever like to take calcium or zinc when I'm like, those kind of seem important to me. Like it's like they have lots of good data on what they do in the body, and so I started to kind of expand my awareness around how like all of the minerals are very important. Selenium is very important, chromium is very important, zinc is very important, and to say that you should just never supplement any of these, but we also are deficient in these two, and we should supplement those two, it's kind of started to not make sense to me. I was like, What you know, if the soils are depleted and we're super toxic, maybe we're depleted in more than just these two minerals. And I actually heard my mentor now kind of business partner, Clark, on a on a Mito Life podcast, and I was just like, this sounds amazing. And then I got introduced into my other business partner, uh Aaron, uh, is Instagram. We started chatting, so I actually ended up working with Aaron, and that's who I ended up building Balance with. But I did my original like mineral balancing program with him, and it was just like I could start to feel the detox relatively quickly. You know, I had already done a lot of work as well, so maybe that helped. But once I started to dose the minerals like based on the HTMA and how we do mineral balancing and not like replacement theory, which for anyone who doesn't know, replacement theory is kind of just like where you look at the copper and it's low and you say, Oh, take more copper. But when in reality that could be like a copper toxicity that's hidden, like biounavailable, and they may they may still need some copper depending on their chart, but they may not in that moment. Um, we kind of look at it a little bit different with mineral balancing, where we kind of dose our copper based on oxidation rates and what the sodium to potassium ratio is and stuff like that, because copper can also raise calcium. So if you're in a calcium shell, that might not be so good depending on what your uh sodium to potassium ratio is. So the mineral balancing world was really good and it included a lot of things that I you know aren't minerals too. The organ support, which I had always liked. I had always taken like desiccated organs. I'd always liked, I'd always felt good when I took TMG, and that's like a big part of the program, too. Um, and then all like the B vitamins and vitamin C. So it kind of and the fat-soluble vitamins are in there too, the A, D, E, and K. So it's just seemed very well-rounded, and I just slowly started to feel like I was actually really onto something detoxing there. Like I was starting to see parasites coming out, and you know, I just started to, you know, I f although I felt like crap sometimes. I also was like, okay, something's at least happening. I and then all my mineral patterns were shifting. So like it's cool to see the retest and see actually something move, even though I didn't really understand like the movements at the time. I'm like, well, at least something moved, like at least something, something was shifting here. And then I would see I started to see some mercury come out, which I really got locked in after that because I knew I had those mercury fillings. So when I seen like a mercury dump come out, I was like, okay, I'm I'm on to something here because I knew I would ask the doctors that I seen like what they thought about maybe having mercury poisoning, because I had a lot of those symptoms I felt like, and I knew I had those uh fillings extracted improperly. And so I just kept doing the program and kept getting better and better. I you retest every three, you know, two to four months, whatever your financials can can afford, or whatever, or however often you want to do it. And I just kept getting better and better, and then we um my business partner had this idea of you know recreating the supplements we were using because there's only one line prior to valence that you could use if you wanted to actually do mineral balancing the way that Dr. Paul Leck did it. So no one had ever really recreated uh that line with like more bioavailable forms, and you know, we added in some mitochondrial boosters, made the organs all grass-fed and things like that, use cleaner like incipients and stuff like that. Uh, just kind of like the world wants cleaner supplements in today's world because we have access to podcasts and information. So we made a couple of those um and the response was really well. So we just kind of kept putting it out, and then after after the response kept being better and better, we were like, well, well, I guess we'll just put out the whole line and see how it does. And so uh, but it's been pretty good. The results have been great. Uh the you know, I really think it advanced the HTMA detox space quite a bit. I know you've seen quite a bit of metals come out on your program as well, even though you've been doing Zio Charge for a long time. So still even pushed out some more metals for you. And I see that quite a bit. People have done lots of binders and things, you know, who have and then they get on mineral balancing and it starts to shift even more out. And you see a lot more. Um, you see some of the stuff that I'm not sure binders really catch as well, like manganese and copper. You start to see them eliminate stuff like that, where I think that kind of only happens with mineral balancing sometimes. Not to say it's the only way, but I see it from people who've done a lot of detox, they still have like a lot of copper and manganese, maybe iron things that the binders aren't capturing. And so then you start to shift some of that out of the way and they get a lot better too.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Yeah, that's awesome. So, all right, so mineral balancing and yeah, I just encourage people integrative thoughts podcasts because there's there's so much information on this. And if anyone's interested, just go check out some of those episodes because there's a lot going on there. So how do you how do you use you know Zo charge in combination with mineral balancing? Because I know we you know I've talked about different kinds of strategies you can use. There's like the push-catch, there's catch and release, I think, and you know, you can use just zoolite as a binder. But how are you using Zocharge? And um I guess how did I how did you even get introduced to Zocharge? I'm trying to remember.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Who was it? Um Todd, Todd or Todd.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

Yeah. And uh I was gonna do a podcast with him or something because I think I think I was introduced to him by the other Todd, Todd Shipman, maybe. Yeah, yeah. And somehow we got connected on Instagram. I was like, hey, you know, I was just doing my podcast, asked him if he wanted to do a show, but he was kind of busy, and you know, I don't think I don't care if he was even having a health issue, something, whatever. He was busy, and he was like, But you should interview and check out my buddy Jeff's product. And I had actually heard Todd Shipman talk about Zocharge once before because he was using it with clients because you know I'm a combo practitioner and Todd Shipman also does combo. So Todd was giving people Zo charge after combo with great results. So I'd heard it like once when we were in a combo group together. We did a little training together that was online, and so I had kind of heard the name, but I didn't really like you know look into it. I think I looked at your website real quick, but didn't really like, you know, I was like, oh, it just seems like a Zeolite, whatever, didn't know much about it because I hadn't talked to you. And then so he introduced, you know, we got introduced, and we were just like, all right, whatever, let's have a phone call. And just the way you described it seemed like obviously different than mineral balancing, but it seemed like we kind of had we're on the same page with like how deep the toxicity goes, how you don't want to just pull things out of the enzyme sites because it can make things worse, and that's why I liked mineral balancing. And to be fair, a lot of my mentors and stuff, they all do mineral balancing with no binders, which um I did that for a few months before I got introduced to Zocharge because I tried a bunch of binders and I would get you know some results for a couple weeks, and then I just you know wouldn't, and it would kind of wear off, and I was just like, I had done binders for years and years and years because I was so sick, and I was just kind of swore off of them for a while. And then the mineral balancing people don't use them, at least the old school people. A lot of the a lot of us newer practitioners are definitely getting into binders with the program. Um, but you know, the old school way was like, you know, the metal, the minerals will just keep pushing out the metals, and then you'll just you know eventually detox them. Where I'm like, yeah, obviously it works because you so many people have gotten results that way. I can't I'm not gonna say that that doesn't work. You just I think there's a potential for recirculation of some of the toxins that you push around, and it could probab maybe elongate the process. So it's you can do mineral balancing, no binder. Plenty of people do it. So I'm not gonna say that it doesn't work because clearly the the clerks of the world, my mentors, they uh they've all done it, you know, without no binder. But I was just kind of like Felt like it needed a binder. And after I talked to you, I was like, I'm gonna go ahead and try this out. And um so I basically I didn't even recommend it to a client for like over a year, I don't think. I just I had an affiliate code from the podcast we did, but I didn't actually like recommend it to clients unless they heard that show and they asked me. Excuse me. Um I would tell them that I was testing it out, and if they wanted to, they could. But I would like kind of tell them that I was still trying to see if it would like sh mess with any mineral patterns or if it would do anything and was doing illegal scans and the HTMA. And in reality, I just felt like I kept getting better with the two combined. And so I've done that for I think it's been at least a couple years. Maybe uh I was on it's almost been my entire program. I only did mineral balancing for like three or four months, I think, before I got introduced to you, something like that. And then I've been using it the whole time. So I think I'm coming up on like three years of Zo charge, maybe. Um, and I still do four scoops a day, usually, sometimes six if I'm really feeling like I'm getting hit, but it's usually around four two scoops split up, and it just seems to work. I know that I I'm pretty sure that I get less heavy metals coming out on my hair tests, I'm pretty sure, uh, which is weird because I've heard from some other practitioners that they've seen more come out after introducing the Zoocharge. She was also an Indomet practitioner, so I'm not sure exactly how much that translates to valence, but um she she really liked your product and said that she started to see more metals come out once people started doing Zoocharge. I find that I feel like I'm eliminating a lot more than what's showing up on the hair test. My dumps will be kind of small. Like you'll see them, you can tell like, oh, okay, I moved some arsenic here, I move some lead there, but they're not like super significant. But the mineral pattern shift in a way that I want, the parasites come out. Uh I can tell that when I take it, I feel a little bit better. Then when I don't take it, I I I've definitely gone off of it a couple times just to like see what it, you know, for a couple weeks or whatever. It's like, okay, will I feel better? Will I feel worse? And then when I get back on the Zocharge with the program, I'm like, oh no, I definitely I definitely feel better when I'm binding up some of this stuff. And you know, I think that you know the minerals are very antiparasitic, antifungal, antibacterial. Uh, and so there's there's more than just the metals moving around that I think Zoocharge helps with when you are detoxing as well. So I think it just takes a load off of the the organ system a little bit, and then you can kind of push through some of that a little bit better.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Yeah, yeah. Well, I like the one thing right off the bat, we're kind of on the same page about is just you know, we want to work with the body's natural detox process opposed to kind of fighting against it. And I think, you know, as you mentioned, a lot of you know traditional um mineral balancing practitioners were against like binders and especially chelators, because they're going and trying to just forcefully remove something, like rip something off of like the enzyme binding side or you know, go into a tissue and rip it out. But you know, that's that's and and a lot of the you know Zeolite marketing companies say that that's what's happening, but it's really not. Like with Zeo Charge, it's just going and it's just binding. It's just you know, in the G GI tract is just binding. So if you stimulate the release of a toxic element through mineral balancing, you kind of release it and then you catch it with with the Zeo charge, right? It kind of makes sense. So if it was interfering and just going and trying to forcefully remove something, it would be it would be completely different. And then probably, you know, it might be something you want to avoid. So I think that's the difference between like a chelator, like especially like a synthetic chelator, and like a natural binder like a Zoocharge. It's it's just really it's not doing anything the body doesn't want to do. It's just binding to whatever's floating around. And when you do mineral balancing, you're gonna have more floating around because you've mobilized more toxicity from the tissue. So, and as you've pointed out, and I think that's important for for the maybe the HDMA practitioners listening or anyone who's interested in it, is it may change the mineral, the the excretion levels on the test a little bit, but not necessarily in a bad way, because if you're getting less excretion in the hair, it probably means it's because you're binding in the GI attract and more is going out, you're more pooping more out, opposed to all of it going through the hair type of thing. That's it. That's why I'm understanding it at least.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

I also look at like when I see a lot of like high heavy metals on somebody sometimes, you know, binder or not, I kind of look at that as potentially your organ systems are backed up in general. Like we shouldn't see like all five metals and copper just crazy amounts in the hair. Like if you're if you're you know, if your bioflow's going, gallbladder's working, liver's working, you're digest, you know, you're getting good fiber in, so you're trapping it in the gut, kidneys are you know getting some support and you know, things like that. I don't think we should see crazy amounts of heavy metals in the hair generally. I think the actual natural uh excretion pathway is like urine and feces. And so if you are doing the enemas, doing you know, doing some sweating in the sauna, have the good bioflow agents and the good kidney support, binder or not, I think it the metal should not be so crazy. And when I do see that, uh sometimes I'm like, okay, you need to work on like your organs of elimination here, like you need to add in more enemas, or you need maybe I need to put you on a little bit more kidney support of the kidney flow or something like that. Because I I think that people get all happy when they see that. And when I look at that as kind of like if the liver and the kidneys backed up, then the body and we're mobilizing so much the body's like, how the hell do we get it out? And so that's like skin, hair, you know, nails, whatever. And so I I actually look at that as kind of like a bad thing, and that's just my own kind of intuition on it. I never got taught that or anything. I think most practitioners just look at it as like, okay, great, we're releasing all these metals. When I look at it as like, okay, we shouldn't have this many metals coming out, um, whether you're on Zo charge or not.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Yeah, yeah. And I think this this brings me to a really important point is if someone is is gonna get a hair test done, you have to work with someone, if you don't understand it, you have to work with someone who understands how to interpret these things because the majority of people doing hair tests just like here's the test, and you kind of said replacement theory. They're like, oh, you've got low, you know, whatever, calcium, let's give you calcium or whatever it is. That's not really how it works with mineral balancing. It's it's all about the ratios and the oxidation rates and all this other stuff. So working with someone, you know, a mineral balancing practitioner, um, it's a lot deeper than just looking at the test and saying, this is high, let's get rid of it, this is low, let's add to it. So that's where, you know, someone working with someone like yourself is uh is really important. So well, and we're we're getting to the end. We'll shout out all of your information because there's a lot of stuff for people to check out for you because you've got a lot going on. But let's just touch really quickly because I think you had some uh I always like to touch on the liquid and the anozeolites. You had did you have some experience with those prior to Zocharge?

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Yeah, and I think I had a kind of unfair uh foray into them because I was in like a moldy house at that time and I had Lyme, and so I was trying like a uh I don't want to like uh talk down about Dr. Pompus thing. I was literally just trying to read all the information online. You can kind of read it online and they kind of show you how they do it, but I wasn't like his practitioners are like nine grand or whatever, so I was just like bought all the supplements that he was promoting and trying to do like a heavy metal like kind of cleanse thing with that with my sauna and and enemas, and I just felt awful. Like I would just feel it was wild because I would like not feel great when I was on them, but then I would quit taking the nano zeolite and feel even worse, and so then like I would go back on the nano zeolite and feel a little bit better, but feel literal awful. And I was just like, I don't know if I feel better or worse on or off the damn thing. I was just like, and then finally it just became too much, and I just like quit taking them after a while, and then I did use them again. I gave it another shot after we moved out of mold because I was like, okay, like after a few months out of the mold, and I was doing saunas and some binders, I was like, uh okay, I'll give it another try. And it was kind of the same, the same deal, and I just never really got anything like that from Zocharge. It's been nothing but a positive experience. Yeah, you can feel like you're dumping some stuff in the beginning or here and there, but uh also with the mix of mineral balancing and Zocharge, I don't ever actually know which one's causing the dumping. So it could have just been the minerals themselves when I was feeling those dumps. I really have no idea, but it seems for the most part, Zocharge has been really good addition, and it seems like I yes, sometimes even Zocharge may facilitate a dump because you're taking a big load of a binder, maybe the body feels safe and it dumps something. But also for the most part, I would say that it kind of calms down the detox reactions. You can't get rid of them fully ever. Some of the stuff's in your brain, you know, we when it's coming out, but uh, I think it helps a lot and I think it grabs some other stuff that really is important, like the histamine and the you know, the waste product, the metabolic waste products and things like that that really can cause someone's uh detox reactions to even be more severe and start to have you know like mass cell activation and histamine and stuff like that from those the responses from some of that stuff.

unknown 52:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

And then and then just really quickly, I we should probably touch on this. You you've been taking zeo charge, you said, for you know, two to three years now. Have you noticed, you know, that some people still think that you know zeo charge or zeolites are going to cause some sort of aluminum toxicity. Have you seen any evidence of that at all with you or your clients?

SPEAKER_00 53:02

I would think that if at this point, you know, you take even way more than me, but I would just I would just think that I would be like brain dead by now if if that stuff was we're taking such high doses, like people don't really understand. You say 20, 30 grams, it doesn't sound like much, but if you like do the math compared to like nano zeolites, whatever, it's an astronomical amount. Um and so if if it really was leaching off in the system, I think we would we wouldn't keep take we would not feel good. We would be so we would have all the aluminum symptoms, which a lot of those are like neurological. Yeah, so aluminum.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

We probably wouldn't be able to have this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

Yeah, like we wouldn't even be having this conversation. We would both be like on our deathbed or half dead. I think it I just think that there's no way that it can be happening. And I've seen my aluminum levels actually decrease on a LEGO scan, and you know that they fluctuate because I'm doing the mineral balancing and everything, but yeah, I've seen like I've seen some pretty low aluminum levels actually on people who take Zocharge, just like I did in that video for you. Like some of them have dropped down really, really low, like lower than my clients who who aren't taking it. So for me, that shows that it's just binding aluminum, I think, and making it lower.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

Yeah, perfect. All right. All right, so now we've talked to Integrative Thoughts Podcast. Everyone check that one out. You've got you said over 200 episodes, so lots of content there for people to check out. Where else, uh, where else can people find you, work with you, check out all your stuff you got going on?

SPEAKER_00 54:20

Yeah, if you just want to do like straight HTMA, then um that's on integrative thoughts.com. So easy to remember for those two. Um, if you want to be trained, well, Valence Nutraceuticals is the HTMA brand. So if you're an HTMA practitioner and you you like, you know, everybody does it a little bit differently, but if you do follow Dr. Paul Eck and you've never heard of Valence Nutraceuticals, um check that out. I think it's just Valence Nutraceuticals.com. Um so we do a lot of worldwide shipping there. Also, you know, we just have good like kidney products, good bioflow products. If you want to check those out for support and you don't do like a full program like we do, you definitely have some good stuff there. And then we do have a brand new um practitioner uh training program that just launched. So uh we almost filled up like two wait lists in like a couple days. So I think we might run two courses, but um also that doesn't mean that everyone on the wait list will actually pay. So that you know you could actually uh jump on there and see if there's still openings. If not, um you just keep a keep a lookout, and we'll be running those like every every so often, every 12 weeks or whatever, something like that. And that'll be under uh called HTMA Pro. I believe it's just HTMApro.com, but I'll double check that right now. We just went to the show.

SPEAKER_01 55:31

And I'll get it, I'll get it in the show notes as well.

SPEAKER_00 55:33

HTMA Pro.com. And you can check out everything there. There's a wait list there. It's two 12-week programs. Um, so the first you know kind of gets you the basic, the setup, and then you don't have to take the the second 12-week if you don't want, but then that'll go a little bit more deeper into like retesting and stuff like that. And that's actually led by um someone even better than me. You can check him out on my uh podcast. His name's Clark Engelbert. I think he's the best. Um, we were gonna run our own training practitioner program, but he's literally the best I that I could think of to teach other practitioners. Um, he's just very, very um knowledgeable in the space. So he's jumping over to all of our supplements and he'll be doing the training with our other buddy Luke, who has actually been uh doing mineral balancing for like 15 years as well. So he's pretty good too. But Clark Clark's knowledge is just insane.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

Yeah. Awesome. All right, so HTML pro.com, if someone's interested in learning, you know, becoming a HTML practitioner, and then integrative thoughts.com. Integrative thoughts.com, that's your site. And that's if someone wants to, you know, check out what you've got going on to get you to your podcast, and also if they want to work with you personally, uh to get to get a hair test and some mineral balancing and learn more from you there too. So those are the two best spots. Perfect. Awesome. Well, this was fantastic. I know you got to leave in a minute. Do you have any any last uh comments or words of wisdom for anyone before we sign off?

SPEAKER_00 56:51

No, I think that's about it. I have just uh I have uh overwhelming amount of content that you can find on that podcast for sure. And I think that anything you want to dive deeper on that I micro touched on today, you'll find in that podcast. Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

Well, thank you. This was this was awesome, and uh this is gonna be a good one. So thank you so much, and uh we'll talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

All right, thanks so much.