SPEAKER_01 0:13

Welcome back to another episode of the Detox Experience. I'm here with the lovely Dr. Pearl Tin, and I'm really excited for today's show. How are you doing, Dr. Pearl?

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I'm doing great. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Alrighty. So we've probably got a lot to talk about. You have a lot of information on a lot of things, a lot of knowledge on a lot of things. So let's just start with a little bit of your background, kind of tell people who you are, what you do, and how you got to where you are today.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Great. My name is Pearl Tin. I have two practices. Um in the state of California, I am a doctor of Chinese medicine, an acupuncturist, a licensed herbalist. And then how you found me, I think, is through my health coaching practice, where I'm known as thyroid pearl, and I work with women who are ages 35 and up, so in the perimenopausal and menopausal phase of life. And they usually think they have a thyroid issue or have a known thyroid issue, and I help them get to the root cause of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Perfect. That's awesome. Well, it's definitely, definitely a big need because um, yeah, lots of uh lots of lots of help is needed in that category. So so how did you what drove you to get into this field? Personal health challenges, or what what kind of made you decide to do this?

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Yeah. Um so I personally had a thyroid issue. So it's funny, in my medical practice in California, I practiced primary care, but my health coaching practice has really evolved into just working with women with thyroid issues, the same thing that I experience. So a little bit about my background. I was working in tech for about 10 years, totally got burned out, um, had brain fog, unexplainable weight gain, fatigue, running cold, all the classical thyroid symptoms. My brother actually helped bring that to light. You know, you're sort of just living in this in this cycle where you just start feeling horrible, but you you forgot what it feels like to feel good again. And so my brother was, he, he's a scientist. Um, he doesn't work with patients, but he was like, I think you have a thyroid problem. So I went to go to my doctor to get it checked out. And at the time I had just really great insurance and I worked with um a doctor that's outside of conventional medicine. And he actually only ran, she didn't run a full thyroid panel, a little bit more markers than normal, but it was missing some of the antibodies. And um, in the end, we know, he said, actually, your thyroid numbers are fine. And I said, Hey, you didn't run the antibodies. Can I get those checked as well? And he's like, actually, there's no evidence, you know, there's no evidence that shows that the antibodies means you could have a low thyroid. Um, so I actually went to another an outside lab to get it tested, and sure enough, my thyroid antibodies were like sky high. So I went back to my doctor and showed him the labs, and he's like, Oh, that's so strange because your thyroid numbers are great. So I don't know why you have thyroid antibodies. So I don't really know what to do with you. So you can take medication or not take medication. So it just I didn't really have that good confidence, you know, and I didn't want to take medication if I didn't need to, but I also wanted to know why I wasn't feeling great, and it just didn't seem right that the my reference range, I was in the reference range, but was feeling horrible. So um I ended up going to Chinese medicine school. Um I was thinking about naturopathic school or Chinese medicine school, but um I am Chinese and acupuncture has always helped me. So I decided to go to Chinese medicine school. So I got my PhD and my master's in Chinese medicine. And there I really learned about how the body is a holistic system. I really learned about the concept of latency, where the body is able to preserve for as long as possible in the way that you know in Earth, the our world is able to preserve as long as possible, but the accumulation of pollutants and chemicals and things that don't belong, then there's some imbalance that happens. And so learning about that really like I really delve deep into, okay, so we have physical stressors, we have psychological stressors, and then we have these chemical stressors. And I think that's really changed today versus what we had, you know, even a generation ago, the chemical stressors. And I just don't think there's any doctor or anyone who's like, hey, we're not inundated with all these chemicals. Um and the thyroid is very sensitive to all that, especially all these halogens. And part of my healing journey was actually finding you and finding Zeocharge as a way to help detox.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Amazing. Well, that's that's yeah, lots of good information. And I'm really pleased with what you're doing. I think you're definitely making the world a healthier and happier place. So thanks for everything that you do. And let's talk a little bit more about the thyroid, because I we don't really talk about that too much on the show, and it is and it's a huge issue. And a lot of people do suspect thyroid issues. And so what would you say? Because I know a lot of people they they suspect a thyroid issue because they look online and see some of the common symptoms. So maybe you know they think they have a you know hypothyroidism or sluggish thyroid, they go to the a traditional medicine doctor, a medical doctor, and they get a regular panel run. And then the doctor says you're fine. So explain why maybe that isn't always the case. Maybe there's a little bit more. You kind of touched on it a little bit with like the antibodies, but what is what is missing or what is what is the mainstream doctor not understanding or not testing for that um maybe there's further investigation needed.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

So, in my opinion, so in in my background, I'm working, there's Chinese medicine diagnoses, but I usually talk about online in a with from a Western bioscience sense because that's the language that most people, you know, under are used to. But we can also look at blood chemistry as part of the thyroid picture. And usually doctors with my clients, they usually only run TSH, which is thyroid stimulating hormone. That's actually a measure of the pituitary gland, the brain, and it's not really a true measurement of the thyroid. Some doctors will also measure T4, and they will look at those numbers as to determine whether or not you have hypothyroidism. But you can also measure T3, reverse T3, and the antibodies that I mentioned. And those are an important part of the picture to understand the calculation of you know what's stopping, what's going, and and why your thyroid is not moving along. Because we need more context. And so what gets limited in just blood chemistry or just looking at your blood labs is the full picture. So in my practice, I do run other labs. I run um a mineral test, I run a gut test, I can run a toxins test. It's dependent on each person. Um, but we look at your your body holistically. So in Chinese medicine, when we talk about thyroid, there's usually like patterns. So a pattern would be what we call spleen qi deficiency or a kidney yong deficiency, and you can also have both. And so from a Western biomedical standpoint, you could have um low TSH or high TSH, a low T4, you can have um uh low T3 relative to your reverse T3, and that's or you could have both. And so really understanding that in context with how your gut is doing, what about your toxic accumulation, if you're um battling mold, those all play a big role.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Okay, amazing. So yeah, it's yeah, that's that's kind of my understanding as well. And a lot of people have been frustrated with they go and they get a traditional panel and the doctor says you're totally fine, but there really is something actually wrong with the thyroid. It's just that maybe they weren't, there wasn't enough data to kind of to show what was wrong. And you mentioned even doing like the gut testing and some additional testing. And you know, I read a long time ago that I think you know, there's a certain percentage of T4 that gets converted to C3 in the gut, a certain percentage in the liver, and it's just it's a whole body issue. So when your thyroid's dysfunctional, it's not just a just a thyroid issue, it's really a full body issue, and you got to get the full body working, and then the thyroid will start working better as well. So yeah, look at that.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Absolutely. So in Chinese medicine, when we talk about the liver, um, or we talk about the spleen and you hear the stomach, we're actually talking not just about the organ, we're talking about the entire channel. So that's why when you get acupuncture and you're working on, you know, a headache, you could have a needle in your on your foot. Because we're talking about the entire channel. So we're really looking at it globally and holistically. And there's just a really there's a common pattern that I see, you know, and I just mentioned the Chinese medicine um pattern of spleen, qi and kidney qi deficiencies, or sometimes both. But a lot of times with a hair test, I actually see um it's called like a slow oxidation rate. Um, so slow metabolism. And a lot of women I work with have been on birth control for a number of years, and that accumulates copper. You, you know, it it has to metabolize minerals, B vitamins, um, and over time you end up building up a deficiency. So there's also a slower pattern that's that we see in hair testing. Um, and the minerals get imbalanced. So looking at that picture and understanding that the body body can't mobilize the toxins out creates can create a thyroid imbalance. And so I use ZH Zocharge for myself. Um, I actually worked for I I I'm someone who loves researching and I talk to so many people. And actually, it was talking to you. Um, you know, where and you were just so passionate. The way that I'm passionate about understanding third-party analysis and like what you've done yourself. Um, and that really led me to trying out Zocharge and actually seeing a really big difference in my personal aluminum, in my personal LED, my personal cadmium um testing. And since then I've done that for my family, for my clients, and they've all, you know, they've seen us, they've seen a change. And so this is why I really love your product because if you have a mold issue or if you have a histamine issue, Zeotarge can help bind those things up. And I just in this modern world, I just can't see where a detox protocol isn't part of um the picture. And I I'm a Chinese medicine uh doctor. So I'm I'm someone who wants to look at food as medicine. I'm someone who wants to really just look to food first. But now that we have this chemical um onslaught, like we really need to have supplements. And I just don't see changes without a supplementation now.

unknown 10:59

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

No, that's a great perspective because I know there's that's kind of a heated debate sometimes uh between practitioners. It's like it's all food-based or it's all, you know, it's it's it's interesting, but you know, it things 50 years ago or a hundred years ago are way different than they are now in terms of what it requires to be healthy. And I always tell people you're not going to be healthy by accident anymore. Like 100 years ago, you you could just kind of be healthy by being normal. Now you have to actively take control of your health just to combat the toxic stressors of everyday living, just to just to be baseline. Like it's it's just it's a tougher time, but you know, it's the good news is there's a lot of resources out there and you know, uh it takes personal responsibility, but it can be done.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

So um yeah, I think about you know, just the average person who comes home from work, they order takeout, um, and it's in the plastic containers. Um, so they eat out of the plastic containers, you know, unwittingly, or you know, just you know, they're eat they're consuming plastic. We all know now that we have like, you know, what's the equivalent of a plastic spoon in our brains. And, you know, they might just like watch TV with the blue light on them. Um, and they're gonna be, you know, maybe they light a candle, and that candle is emitting, you know, toxins as well. Um, and they're using a blanket that's not, you know, 100% cotton or 100% linen, and it's it's these plastic, you know, it's like made a polyester. They feel great. I mean, it's unbelievable the technology. They feel great and they're indestructible, but what is normal actually is a little bit can be unhealthy.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

So yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, the just the amount of toxicity that we're faced with that we don't even recognize at all. It's like it's you know, it's a lot more than just drinking clean water, right? It's just it's just all like those things you mentioned and just things that people wouldn't even consider. So yeah, I mean, I obviously I'm biased towards detox, you know, but I I do think that some detox support is definitely essential. And and there's a lot of ways to detox, right? Essentially, it's how do we get these toxic elements out of our bodies, or how do we get our bodies to work better so that as the toxic elements are coming in, then our body can naturally handle them and they don't go into storage, but we can just excrete them, right? And there's so many different variations there. And I like Zo charge, I always tell people, you know, Zero Charge is a great foundation to another protocol. It's not like just take Zero Charge and everything's gonna be okay, but like as a foundational tool, just to kind of bind and just like kind of calm the storm in the body, then all the other protocols just start working better, right? So I think so you were doing, so you were, I mean, you were practicing before you found Zocharge. So basically, when you added Zero Charge, what were some of kind of the additional benefits that you started seeing for yourself and uh patients?

SPEAKER_00 13:39

So before Zero Charge, we're doing fiber and I was doing a lot of herbals, but the fiber wasn't so adding sufficient amount of fiber is is difficult. You know, fiber naturally occurring is you know what's high in berries, right? Or but you you only get you know six grams at a time, and nature designed it that way, right? So that you're constantly eating fiber. But um, I did find a product that is amazing, um swap for fiber, and it's called hero bread, and it tastes great, but it's made of resistant starch. So um resistant starch, do you know about do you know about resistant starch and resistant fiber?

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Not too much, why don't if yeah, no, inform me.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Okay. So it's different from other types of fiber. This is the fiber that um your doctors don't normally talk about, but they they ferment in your in your gut. So there's something called short chain fatty acids. And your gut needs this, your brain needs this. This is when they talk about the gut brain access, they're talking about short chain fatty acids. Um, and they help strengthen your gut barriers to toxins and pathogens can't leak through. But you can't you can't get those um, you can't get short chain fatty acids by taking a supplement. You have to eat fiber and because and the fiber will ferment. And so most people are not getting enough resistant starch. So hero bread is a bread that's made of completely resistant starch, and um, that's a way to bring it in. So I I've been using resistant resistant starch where most people, when we see they have low short chain fatty acids, the recommendation is usually um like raw banana powder. I don't know if you've seen people use that in their smoothies. That's to add resistant starch in there. But sometimes taking powders or potato starch powder, taking all these powders sometimes isn't uh you get you get a supplement fatigue. So actually swapping, like you know, if they're already eating bread and swapping it with a high fiber bread, um, high fiber, high protein bread, this is an easy way for them to help just not just move their bowels, but help improve their short chain fatty acids.

unknown 15:54

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

I also check hero bread. So is this and so is this something that you just order online? It's probably a specialty item.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

You can order it online, um, and they're also sold in grocery stores. They're in like Whole Foods and Target, um Walmart.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Yeah, yeah. Awesome, awesome. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Yeah, that's a good tip for a few. And so that actually so hero bread and Zocharge are kind of my superpowers or what I have in my toolbox because they'll they can eat, you know, they change their bread out and then they're improving fiber right away. Um, and they're improving their short chain fatty acid levels. And then with the Zoocharge, we're actually seeing their their heavy metal levels decline. So, and that really excites them because you know, when you see it on paper, but they also feel great. And you also, and this is what with my own journey when I was starting to use Zocharge, the paradoxical relationship where you, you know, you think like, oh, I only want to I want to start low and slow, which is generally how you want to move through things. But with Zoocharge, you actually want to start with a higher dosage. And a lot of my clients are not used to that. You know, they really want to start off small. Um, and you know, with fiber, you usually start off small as well. Um, but for myself, I think I had to start off with seven scoops of Zoocharge because I felt um I remember the first day that I used it, I was working, um, and it was just kind of like a low grade fatigue I was feeling, kind of like a low grade fatigue and a nausea, and it didn't hit me until like, oh my gosh, I think it's the Zeo Charge, but man, I just took so much. I I don't know if I should take more. Um, but I know the recommendation is to do it. And I did, and I feel like almost in like 30 minutes that nausea went away. So I'm glad that I did, and I always, always, always preference like tell that to my patients, you know, or my clients. I tell them the same thing. Um, you take more and you'll feel better. And I haven't had any complaints about it.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Yeah. Perfect. So okay, when you started, do you remember the dose that you took and how much you added in after?

SPEAKER_00 18:03

So I started with three.

unknown 18:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Um, and then I'm like, you know, I'm I'm working, I'm going about my day, and I just feel a little like just it's like a slight nausea. Um, I don't, I'm not someone who normally gets headaches. So it's a slight nausea, and until I notice it, um I put two and two together. I'm like, okay, I think this is the zeo charge. So then I added up to seven scoops, and that's when it went away. So I added four, you know, the fourth one. I'm drinking as fast as I can, um, kind of waiting, and then it ended up being seven. I had to be on a seven scoop protocol for a while. Had to order another, another Zeo charge. Um, and um, now I just order the bulk because I know that I'm gonna need it. So it took it took a little bit, but now I'm, you know, now it's um as needed basis where you need to really have a relationship with your body to to understand. So a lot of my clients, they're used to a doctor or a medical provider or health coach prescribing, take this and you know, and then call me in the morning or you know, whatever. But this is really about learning a relationship with yourself and seeing how much you need. So they also feel a little bit uneasy when I tell them you will have you will feel it yourself. And if you don't feel anything, that's great. But you, you know, like you're we're we you have to have a relationship with me. And this is why I'm working on a coaching program, so we can have an ongoing relationship where they can message me anytime and we can and I can coach them through whether or not they should add more.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, like that's great. Yeah, that's it's it is tricky. I mean, it's really hard. And I mean, I I talk about this pretty much in every episode, and it's all over the website, the dosing paradox, but still, you know, if I was seeing that for the first time, I would be like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Like, yeah, they're usually like, uh, I don't, you know, like, doesn't do you know what you're talking about? Like, why would I why are you telling me to tell you what the dosage should be? But you really have to be, you know, I can only help you as much as you know your yourself because you're the one who's supporting your body, and I'm can help you lead, you know, lead you there, but you really have to be involved. Um, and actually make all my clients sign something that's the where they understand they have to show up and their progress is dependent on how much they show up. But I will be there for them.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

That's amazing. That's amazing. So yeah, it's it's um with with the dosing, it's um, I don't know, it's it's just interesting, I think. Because some people are like, oh, he's just trying to sell more product and all it. It's like it's I don't know, it's I find it some I don't know. I I always ask people because usually I mean the high it just works, you know, and it's like I definitely don't have the placebo effect going for us because no one believes it's gonna work, but then it it ends up it ends up working with the higher dose. But the way I've been trying to refine how I explain it, and I mean, and there of course there are caveats as well because sometimes you take the higher dose and it actually does cause more reactions if it like disturbs a bunch of biofilms when you have like a purging event. So it's not like 100% science, it's just probabilities and understanding what's happening in your body. But essentially I say generally with detox, you're automatically like like with um like bitter herbs or just a traditional detox, you're automatically adding stress to the system because you're taking a toxic element from storage and you're putting it into the body's active processing center. Like that's gonna be stressful, your body then has to deal with it. With Zeo Charge, instead of going in and like forcefully trying to remove or stimulate the release of toxic elements from tissue, you're just grabbing what the body's currently working on. So the more like traditional detox, the more you take, the more stress it's gonna add to your system equals the more symptoms. With Zoocharge, the more you take, the more you're binding to whatever's working, whatever's there. And then the more you take, the less toxicity is currently present and it calms the body. So it's just the opposite. It's just it's just the opposite of it's not it's detox through binding. It's really a binder, and then the body accelerates detox, but it's not like going straight into tissue and ripping something out or, you know, directly stimulating uh release of a toxic element. So I think that's the main thing for people to understand.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

You know, and sometimes I explain to them because detox has a it's kind of a charge word where people are like, oh, I don't want to detox. I have detox organs for that. Um so sometimes I try to explain to them that it's also Giving you minerals. It's you know swapping out the the tox, you know, the heavy metals for for the minerals that zeolite has or Zeocharge has. Um do you mind explaining that a little bit more?

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah, absolutely. So it's it's it's a swap mechanism. So as opposed to like certain chelators and things, they kind of just go and grab. They're like chelation is like claw. I think it means claw in Greek. It just goes and grabs stuff. With Zeocharge, it's cation exchange. So essentially you have um you have the negatively charged zeolite, there's positively charged minerals inside of the cage, so primarily potassium, sodium, calcium, magnesium. And then when it comes across positive elements that it has a higher level of attraction to, it trades them out. So that's why if it comes across an amino acid or a vitamin or most minerals, it just leaves it alone because it already has what it prefers, which is the electrolytes. But if it comes across something that it prefers, which is generally heavier, so like heavy metals or heavier generally than the essential nutrients, that's why they're called heavy metals, it'll swap out the magnesium for the mercury or the lead or the arsenic because it prefers it. So that's what makes it so unique. It's not just grabbing everything indiscriminately. It's basically it's it's a smart binder or a selective binder. It's going um through and just, you know, swapping. But what's interesting there is it will swap until it finds what it likes most. And that's another key to dosing because let's say uh you've got the zeolite particle that you know cage will call it, that has the magnesium. It comes across some mercury, it grabs the mercury. So now it drops the magnesium, it grabs the mercury because it traded it, and then on its way out of the system, it then encounters some lead. Now, zeolite has a higher level of attraction to lead than mercury, so it'll swap it again. So it says, okay, now let's swap the mercury for the lead. Now the challenge there is now you have mercury that was displaced from its original, you know, wherever it was bound to the binding site. Now it's loose. So if you have extra zeolite cages available, though, because you took a high enough dose, you then sop up that mercury. There's no issue. If you didn't take a high enough dose, maybe the body now has to deal with that on its own and that could cause detox reactions. So that's one of the mechanisms of the higher dose. But it'll just keep swapping until it finds what it prefers, but it'll just leave the essential nutrients alone because it's looking for the things that it prefers, which are heavier, like even like ammonia, the mycotoxins, the heavy metals, uh BPA, glyphosate, some uh a lot of the things we we do not want floating around in our bodies.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Right. And that that's amazing because when we're swapping, we're swapping for the light, you know, the lighter like sodium and potassium and calcium. Those are the things that we need. So and and and you know, it's like this is like ionic bonds. So it's like back to high school science class of how it works. So it sounds a little bit magical, but it's it's it's ionic.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Yeah, and that's and and I really don't talk about because the focus really is to remove the bad stuff, but as you're as you're pointing out, it's not only is it removing, it's it's replacing where the toxic element was, it's replacing it with an essential nutrient.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Right, right. So I mean, like in ionic with ionic mimicry, you've got, you know, placeholder. Like the cells need something. So they can hold an essential nutrient or they can hold a toxic metal, it just needs something to function. So, you know, you could have you could have a zinc deficiency, and then the body holds onto the heavy metal cadmium because they're similar in structure. So it's one of those interesting things. The body, the body always does what it does for a reason. Sometimes we try to outsmart the body, but we can't do it. So, because we're like, why would the body possibly hold on to toxic elements? Usually it's to protect us and to keep us absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

And this is this is so Chinese medicine. Um, you know, and I've been studying the body for you know years now, and I've, you know, Chinese medicine, Western bioscience, and I think if we knew how complex the body is, and we're not hanging our hat on this one on this, you know, just like this one um blood chemistry marker or you know, something like that, we would have a little bit more patience or we'd understand that the it's gonna take a while. And and even the way pharmaceutical drugs are made these days, um kind of the the famous one that I think of is um what is the drug that's um for erectile dysfunction? Viagra? Viagra, yeah. It was it was a drug for the heart, and then they see a side effect that it helps with erectile dysfunction, and now they just label it for erectile dysfunction. I mean, that just shows we don't know that much about the body, you know, and you know, there's a relationship there, but if we look at the body holistically and we zoom out or we, you know, work with someone who's guiding you through and not just taking things willy-nilly, that's where you can true make true change. And I the way that I practice now is what I wish I had. So I was someone who's like, you know, I wasn't even feeling great, but I was like, I'm taking all the courses, I'm gonna get a PhD in this, you know, I and I just wish that I had someone to guide me. And so um looking at it holistically is really what has made a big difference. Um why I've been able to put my own Hashimoto's in remission. Like it's like I it's undetectable by any any testing. Um, I'm not in any medication. And this was, you know, detoxing my mold, um, the histamine, the ammonia, that's all a big part of it. And you just cannot feel better if you're continuously swimming in your own toxins, if you're continuously swimming in um because it's not just the bad microbes that you know dysbiosis, they they have byproducts too. So it all gets recirculated. You know, but your bile gets recirculated. Estrogen dominance is a huge word these days. There's a lot of sort of recirculation happening, and you have to break the cycle. So, you know, the question is, what are you doing to break the cycle?

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Absolutely. So, okay, so you mentioned earlier some of your some people will say they're not into detox because they're like our body, you know, is a detox machine that's got organs. So why if that I mean, and that is true to some extent for sure, our body's designed to detox, but if that's the you know, why do toxic elements, well, first of all, do toxic elements accumulate in the body? I think we all know the answer, but some people would argue that they don't. Do toxic elements accumulate accumulate in the body? And then why? Like if the body's designed to detox, why is this happening? Why do we even need detox support?

SPEAKER_00 28:52

And that's why I talked about latency earlier. Um, because, you know, A, we're deficient of so many minerals, vitamins and minerals, um, that the body is like trying to survive as much as possible. Just like when we look at our relationship with the earth, all this pollutants are happening. And then there's a breaking point where we're gonna have these wildfires now, and we're gonna have, you know, climate change is, you know, is a thing that's happening. It's going to break, and that's maybe where your body can create. So the the women I work with, they could have fibroids. Um, a lot of women have fibroids, it's related to um thyroid, and the body, in the Chinese medicine standpoint, you know, they're creating these accumulations to so that it's keeping it away from your your organs, it's keeping it away from um so that your body can continue moving because you just want to keep it, keep it away into dense tissue, and your body will keep surviving, but you're feeling the effects of it. You're gonna have the brain fog and you're gonna have the fatigue where sleep doesn't help. And this is usually at a point when when clients come to me, it's where they really are like, I've tried everything, or my doctor has tried everything, and the only thing they're gonna tell me is to have surgery to get mine fibroids removed, but the fibroids will grow back and we still have to address the initial problem. And your body is, you know, take making sure that the mold is stored away into your fat, away from your tissues, so that it's not in your organs. Otherwise, you could get you you end up getting mold in your eyes, you know. So, and mold is always hiding. We call it um dampness or phlegm when it gets into a certain point in Chinese medicine, but it's always it it moves through spores. So when your body's in that perfect condition of dampness, um, and you don't have the nutrients to move through it, that's gonna be a problem. And stagnation is what is what creates chronic illness.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Yeah, so yeah, I mean, the and that's exactly how I how a look at it all. It's just it's like the body is designed to detox, it does detox, but there's a point where the body just can't handle the level of toxicity coming in, and then the body has to do something with that toxicity, and because the body's more for focused on short-term survival over the long term, it says, let's tuck it somewhere as the safest place possible, right? Trying to get out of the organs, let's put it in tissue, and then it sometimes develops new like the body starts growing new tissue to store the toxicity. Yeah, I even think sometimes the body allows the parasites to thrive because that is also additional tissue to house heavy metals and toxicants as well.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Yeah, and we are can be inflamed to carry more water weights to pull down the inflammation. You know, that's another way to think about uh think about it.

unknown 31:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

So it's interesting. It all like I think for me, what was like just one of the most insightful things for my um just how I look at health is look, you have to look at things, or for me, I have to look at things that from the perspective of why is the body doing what it's doing. Because then I can really have a better protocol and understanding of how I'm going to get better. Because I mean, a lot of medicine is working against the body. It's just it's trying to outsmart it, it's trying to, you know, shut down or you know, super accelerate some sort of biological process. And then a lot of times, even in the natural community, they're just taking those same principles. They're using herbs and natural, natural drugs, but they're still fighting against the body's natural process. And when we can, when we take a step back and say, you know, why is the body doing it? Our body's trying to protect us. We want to encourage the body to do what it's doing and just support it opposed to fighting against it. So I think like your philosophy, that's exactly what you're doing, which I love about it. It's just that I think sometimes like that seems like it's kind of common sense, but it's it's kind of been lost, I feel like in natural medicine where a lot of people are just not really doing those things anymore.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Yeah. We really need to create the right conditions so that the body can heal. And um in Chinese medicine, stagnation can lead to the illness. So we have to move things away. We have to move, you know, and it it goes into like the joints. And this is where you can have joint pain. It goes into um like deep parts of the body. So um your liver and kidneys can only do so much. They're they're so overloaded. Kind of what I said earlier in the beginning, where you know, what we're doing, just living day to day, just eating our takeout food, in our wrapped up in our polyester plastic blankets, breathing in all these microplastics. You know, every piece of plastic that's ever been made ever is still here on this earth. Um, they just turned into microplastics and they're just in our food, in our brains. You know, babies are born with microplastics in them now. So um helping the body, you know, like saying that we have detox organs, we really have to support them. There's just no way around it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

So when you say stagnation, can you go a little, are you talking about like lymph, bile, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

So stagnation is actually a term, a Chinese medicine term. It's so Chinese medicine didn't have um, they didn't have labs back then, but they knew they looked at the earth as a reflection of what happens inside the body. And knowing that, you know, when when think of a river, if there's if it's no longer flowing because it's stagnant, there can be disease that grows, it's no longer clean water. There's um all this gunk. And so that happens inside the body as well. So stagnation is sort of like an overarching term, a simplistic term to describe what can be happening. So we have to remove what impedes the stagnation. So in the functional medicine side, they talk about detox and drainage. So those are kind of two separate concepts, but we need to be able to move things out through our bowels every day. And I know with um zoge, you're moving it out through your bowels. I actually have clients that start going to the bathroom more. Um, and they start, they're usually trying to aim for one good bowel movement a day, but they end up having two or even three. And it's definitely the Zeo charge moving those toxins out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Have you so and I I almost asked every guest because this is one topic that everyone wants to know is Zeocharge going to constipate you? And you know, it's it's so your experience has been no, it's actually accelerating the you know, motility.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yeah, yeah. And I s it's such a positive thing because I think so many people struggle with constipation, and we cannot have any constipation, you know, if we are on a healing journey. This is it's gonna lead to stagnation. So having zoo charge, knowing that it's gonna help with your bowel movements and move out the toxins and give you minerals is why it's such a key part of you know, tool in my toolbox.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Yeah, that's perfect. I always ask because and it does, some people it does still constipate. So I always, you know, I think there's different reasons. One, I think sometimes it's too low of a dose and it's not the powder causing the backup, it's actually a detox reaction from you know mild inflammation in the GI tract because of the low dose. Um, so that's probably the number one thing to consider if someone is getting constipated on zocharge. Another thing is maybe it's resulting in some level of dehydration if there's not uh adequate, you know, um water into air fluids and electrolytes.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

And because like that is just a huge Chinese medicine topic. Like what we think of in Chinese medicine for hydration is so different from the West. So there are no Chinese grandmas drinking eight glasses of water a day. That's not happening. Um because in classical Chinese medicine, water is cleansing, but it's not hydrating. You actually hydrate through through foods. So you eat foods that are steamed, you eat foods that are um boiled, and because when you have the nutrients with you, because you have the charge and the nutrients, the you know, potassium, sodium, they're able to enter enter your cells. So Chinese medicine couldn't explain that back then. But if we're just drinking water, it's actually gonna, and I was, I I've experienced this where I would drink water and then I need to go to the bathroom right away. I would, I would have, I would pee it out. So I was actually effectively dehydrating myself, um, thinking I was doing a good thing. Um, and it was years of dehydration. So I'm still work, I'm still working on that. And so every day I'm still trying to hydrate through my foods in the classical Chinese medicine way where you you eat you eat fruits every day. You know, I think sometimes in the West, where you everyone's afraid of gaining weight or insulin resistance, there's just like a everyone's blaming the fruit bowl, but that's where you do get hydration. That's you know, the oh the watermelon is so hydrating because it's so rich in in minerals.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

That so that is very good insight. So that's that's fantastic. And it makes perfect sense. And even for me, I'm thinking back when I was I'm much healthier now than I was, I mean, I've been getting healthier every year, and I continue to get healthier every year, but every year I become less thirsty.

unknown 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

So when I was, you know, waste like 10 years ago, and even in high school, like the amount I would have, I would be drinking hundred, like probably a couple hundred ounces of water a day, just ridiculous. And I was never, it wasn't really quenching my thirst. And I did have to, you know, it, but it's like I just had to, like I couldn't even, like my mouth would get so dry after like 20 minutes. So now it's like I don't really need much water. And every year I'm actually getting less thirsty. And I think that's I think actually that's a pretty interesting indicator of overall health is the less thirsty you are, potentially the healthier you're becoming. Because if you're chronically thirsty, like you're you're you're missing something. I don't know. I I think it makes sense because I always like looked at my parents and other people, I'm like, how could you possibly have just gone four hours without drinking water? Like for me, I'm not I could not do it. Like I literally would like be choking over like I just like my mouth would be so dry after like 20 minutes, I would just be constantly checking water. So it was just so interesting. So even I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's it's a really interesting point, though. Like the healthier you are, it's not it's not about water. The water is potentially stripping you of some of the of the electrolytes and things. So that's a great insight. Um but I think for me, all the metals and the toxic elements that were in my body were causing the dehydration because those were interfering with the nutrient absorption. So by removing those elements just without changing anything else, with by removing the toxicity, I was becoming more hydrated naturally from that.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Yeah. There's and there's also, you know, people are drinking reverse osmosis water because they want clean water, they don't want birth control in their water, and that's wonderful. But if you're not rehydrating with minerals and you're adding minerals back in, then it your eels continue to be dehydrated. It's just kind of a a race of you know how much how much minerals you're getting, and we're not getting enough minerals from food, like period. You know, it's just we're not with the way you could we can talk about soil health all the time. Um, I think in my Christmas card we talk about soil health every single year because it impacts, you know, you cannot think about health without thinking about soil health and how it because it grows our food. And so if we don't have magnesium or selenium, so Brazil nuts used to be a for especially for thyroid health, it used to be, you know, take two to three Brazil nuts a day for selenium, but I didn't see selenium levels raise. So actually, selenium, you know, depends on selenium is grown in different parts of the world. And so depending on what the health of the soil is, there we can't accurately predict how much Brazil nuts to take. And that's why you do have to take supplements, like unfortunately, because it's just we're so depleted.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Okay, so this is great information. So let's talk a little bit about the back to the thyroid. Have you seen other specific toxic elements, whether it's mercury or microplastics or something that you suspect are causing um more thyroid-specific issues than than other um other things?

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Yeah, that's a great question. So I always see mercury. Um, aluminum is very common because we're all cooking our food with aluminum foil and you know that will leach into food. Um, and that those that those are these are common patterns that I look at. So when I work as a health coach, I'm looking at these patterns. Um, and so having high mercury and aluminum is an arsenic is common. Mold is very common. So a lot of people that I work with are like, I've never lived in a moldy environment. I don't think I have mold, but okro toxin is a very, very common mold that it comes from food. And so the way that nuts and grains and these things are stored, it's common for mold. And even drinking coffee. So coffee, um coffee beans. So the the coffee beans are the way they're sold is they're sold by weight. So let's say the coffee beans are grown in Colombia and they're sold by weight, they'll be sprayed down with water, so it's heavier, and then you know, they can get a better price. And so in the shipping, there could be it could become moldy. So there's all these actually amazing companies now that um purity coffee is one of them that will check for mold um and check for heavy metals. And so these are things that we drink. If you're if you're drinking something or to eating something every single day, those are the things that you do want to swap out. So I usually, you know, when I'm working with a client, I want it to be sustainable, but I always start with like, what are you doing every single day or taking every day, every day? And usually coffee is part of that, and it will show up on a toxins test. So I do a urine toxins test and it's very common. Oprah toxin is a very common uh mold that comes up. Afflatoxin as well. So um, you know, we don't want to eliminate these foods that you know, like if you're on a trip and you um because Chinese mess is all about balance. So you we don't want to be have anxiety about going to a coffee shop and they're not certain, you know, we don't know where their beans are from, but that's where we do want our liver and kidneys and uh our detox organs to be working well, and that's where we can you know do so support for it. But if we can minimize our toxic load, that's gonna be the best way. Um, because we're just just want you know, I just try to think of my body as um like a child and how you want to support the child as you you don't want to have the a spray of pesticides and a spray of mold on them, um, and you want to take care of them.

unknown 43:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Perfect. Right. So in a minute we're gonna close out talking about how people can, you know, work with if work with you, what you have to offer and everything. But before that, do you have just a few rant, you know, just just really generic tips that people can implement today? Like what would like top your top maybe three to five recommendations for someone looking to improve thyroid health that they can just start right away?

SPEAKER_00 44:03

So I work with a lot of clients that have tried, you know, have started working on their thyroid health themselves, and they usually start with Google and they start. They need to take selenium and zinc and iodine or avoid iodine, actually, is usually what they say online. And there is an order to healing. So I wouldn't take these random supplements because, you know, take, you know, if you take, for example, vitamin D, it's going to increase the calcium absorption in your tissues, which, you know, you probably don't want that. It's gonna it'll reduce, you know, other minerals. So there's all these cofactors. So I, you know, we live in the modern world. We should get testing. We really should get testing before we start a protocol. So if you take supplements randomly, you're going to get random results, and they're usually not going to be great results. So I would work with somebody that you trust or someone who's gone through the same journey. Um and use use the we're the modern day. Let's just use the testing. Um secondly, is to reduce your toxic load. So even if we don't if you don't work with someone reducing your toxic load and using a gentle binder like Zeocharge, and experiment, you know, experiment, work with a practice, it's best to work with a practitioner, but you will probably feel a difference. I've never had someone, I mean, I've had people even lose weight on Zocharge. They feel less inflamed. They, you know, and a lot of times people come to me because they're looking to lose weight. So if you start minimizing your your toxic load, which is just gonna be a practice, a practice of healthy living, and you're gonna um you'll see a difference because you'll be able to support your body in that way.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Perfect. All right, I've got a couple more questions for you. One is do you think on average, like the natural, the average person that's you know into kind of natural wellness and trying to take care, you know, self-care, do you think the average person is taking too many supplements or not enough supplements?

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Oh gosh, too much. Everyone's taking too many supplements. They're they're you know, actually, and you want to that's actually causing liver issues because they have to process all of those supplements. Um, so this is it's just so easy for me to answer because when I'm looking at their supplement list, it's it's uh, you know, a mile long. And so we actually want to remove it. And so zeocharge can help remove some of that supplement load because again, we're talking about stagnation. We want to remove the branches, the rocks, the you know, whatever mold so that the river can continue flowing before we start adding in more. Like I in my I have a program called Healthy Fiber Blueprint, and the first module is about detoxification and removing the stagnation, always thinking about that. You know, I need to go to the bathroom every single day. Um, and how can I do that? And whether it's not that's even eating enough fiber or um even just movement itself is part of it. We're eating enough.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Perfect. All right, no, that's that's that's that's good. I I feel the same way. I always tell people it's like the goal is to get off as many supplements as you can. Like the healthier you are, the less you need to supplement. And the way I because I used to be kind of like, let's just do it all. Like I had a biohacking center. I'm like, you know you come in, you do oxygen therapy, red light therapy, PEMF, hydrogen, viplate, neurofeed, like you do it all on the same day. But now I'm like, that's too much information for the body. And I think supplements too, supplements are information. And if you're taking 50 supplements, it's like that's 50 different pieces of information that are coming in the body, and it's like kind of almost like too much to process at one time. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

That's it is because even um even our you know, our just our poor liver is just like gotta process all the toxins and then also all the nutrients that we're trying to give it, it's just gonna be overloaded, and that's why we have you know, most people have um insulin resistance, you know, it's related to to you know, fatty liver.

unknown 48:07

All right.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

So another question for you are is there anything right now trending, um, whether mainstream or you know alternative wellness that you would say maybe people should stop and take a second look before jumping right into? Like something trending on socials.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Um I think creatine. Um creatine is really big, but it can affect I I think it can affect your kidneys, it can affect your own hydration levels. And so when people are taking it just, you know, every single day because they're thinking it's going to help with their brain health, um, which is kind of a relatively new um new information. I think it started off with with muscle builders. Um, but I recommend cycling and taking breaks. Um I like to start with what what do you need? So we keep asking like why until we know why. And so I used to actually be really into um testing, you know, I kind of kind of called it the gateway drug into like functional medicine because they wanted to know their food sensitivities and they wanted to know more about their hormones. And so I used to do all those kinds of testing, which ends up being very expensive, but it doesn't tell you why you are why you have those food sensitivities. It doesn't tell you why you have low progesterone. And so you you keep peeling back the layers until you understand why and you look at, oh gosh, you know, I have all this gut inflammation or dysbiosis or my gut is so stressed out, or I don't have certain nutrients. So before we do the nice to have information or testing, it's good to get back to the foundations and the basics. It always gets back to the basics. It's it's a boring answer, but um it's great. Yeah, it's it's true.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

No, I love it. I love it. No, it's uh fun fact, I actually uh used to work at a food sensitivity laboratory. Oh so when I I lived in Hawaii, um, and that's when I first went to a functional medicine practitioner, and the you know, first thing he did was like, let's do this food sensitivity test. And did a terrible job of explaining it. He's like, we needed to get you an allergy test. I'm like, well, I've had allergy tests. He's like, no, this one's better. It's not covered by insurance. It's like 400 bucks. I'm like, okay. But anyway, it was a food sensitivity test, and I it did, it was quite helpful for me because a lot of the foods I was eating um on a daily basis were, you know, highly inflammatory for me at that time. So I ended up writing a job proposal. It was uh hire Jeff.com, sent it off to this laboratory, all this stuff. I wanted to do all this research on um, you know, specific foods and and their connection to specific autoimmune conditions and all this stuff, kind of like tomatoes and arthritis. Anyway, ended up working for the company, and then I, you know, like a few months later, though, I you know, I tested again and then because I had switched my diet dramatically and was feeling better, but then next thing you know, my next test shows now I'm sensitive to the things that I just recently introduced into my diet. So it's like it can be helpful, but it's not fixing, it wasn't healing my gut, it wasn't removing the toxic, it was it was just one minor thing that was really cool at the time. But um, yeah, it's it's one of those, like it's a luxury, but not not one of the essential uh tests, I would say. So I'm with you.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's a luxury if you have extra money and you want to know, but it's not fixing why. Um and I also want, you know, people come to me and they're like, I don't eat dairy, I don't eat, you know, they have a list of foods that they don't eat, but then I'm thinking, how are you getting your calcium? You know, um, you know, how are you reaching your your uh daily limit, uh, your daily um requirement of calcium? And they're not. And so we don't want to eliminate foods if we don't have to. And so that's that's a big piece of it, is being able to eat those foods that you weren't able to.

SPEAKER_01 52:04

It's it's so interesting. And that's what my kind of my pet peep with all tests, and pretty much all testing is, is that it's all they're all just snapshots looking at specific things and they don't take into account all of the other cofactors. So, like with the food sensitivity test, it's like, okay, maybe um, you know, like to your example of dairy, maybe it is causing a level of immunary activity. And depending on that level, you might want to you know limit it or avoid it for a while, but it's and and then there's a lactose intolerance, which these tests are not looking at. There's other aspects, but then it's like they're not taking into consideration, even if you remove that and you do reduce the inflammatory load, what is that doing to your nutrient levels? Because now you're not getting specific. So it's there's so many factors, and when we test for one thing, we're like, this is it. But when we're missing, it's it's like heavy metal testing. We test for heavy metals, we find high aluminum, and we naturally assume like aluminum is the problem, it is what is causing my thyroid issues or something else. It's like it might be part of it, but there might be a hundred other things that didn't show up on this test. Yeah, with the, you know, it's just it's we find what we're looking for or what we test for, but I don't know, it's it is interesting. But taking all of that, like the more you can get, I think the better because you have more snapshots and more data, and you can combine that, but we're always going to be limited to what we can find because there's tens of thousands of these chemicals and things that we're not testing for. Like we don't even know the names of them, we probably don't know they exist, they're probably not even on. You know, whoever's producing them is probably not telling anyone they're even there because they don't want you know, there's all sorts of stuff. But it's that's why I like that your approach. It's like we're we're getting the bot, you know, reducing the stagnation, getting things flowing. And then it's like it at that point, it matters less about what toxic element is there and more about that the body can get rid of it, whatever it is on its own, because it's naturally excreting it. So it doesn't have to be like like we need a specific chelator, you know, a hundred different chelators for a hundred different toxic elements.

unknown 53:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

It's like I think that's a very limited approach. It's just more of a, you know, let's just get the body rolling, get the body naturally start pushing some of this stuff out.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

So I actually remind me of a client I worked with who um we did gut testing and she had parasites. Parasites are notoriously hard to to find because testing can only test for a certain amount of parasites, but we found a high number of parasites, and she was like, okay, give me the supplements that I need. I'm I'm gonna feel horrible for three weeks, but I want to just detox it out. And um, I think she was a little bit upset with me because I told her, like, no, the question is why are why do you have parasites? We need to address that because I'm not trying to get rid of your parasites. You have a high number of them, you've evolved with them, and getting them out is, you know, taking she's like, I want to feel horrible for three weeks, I'll take time off work. And she was thinking that was kind of the, you know, one and done, and it's never one and done. It's always gonna be it's gotta be holistic. We've got to look at all these different factors, and there's never a gold standard of like, I'll take this gut test and I'll finally understand what's happening to me. A lot of people come to me and they want to know about their dementia risk or brain risk. And so they might do a prenovo, that MRI scan, and they said, Hey, I did prenovo and I don't have um dementia risk. And so I kind of explained to them there's no gold standard for it. Um, you know, there's the APOE, APOE gene, but I can also do blood testing and test for proteins that should be inside your brain, but they're outside of your brain. So that tells me something that an MRI cannot, but an MRI can tell me things, you know, structural damage that I can't see. So there's no gold standard, and we just have to have more data points.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

No, I I agree. I agree. So this is some great information. Back to the parasite thing one more time because people people just love talking about parasites.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

It's and it's it's such, I think it's so like back to your example of the stagnation and the river. The river is flowing, you know, the water's clean because it's just flowing. And then, but if there's you know, a built a dam or what it just gets blocked up, now you're gonna have parasites and microbes and gunk accumulating. You can go in and kill those things, but how long is it gonna be until they come back? Because there's nothing flowing.

unknown 56:11

Right.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

And I think that's what, like you're saying, people need to understand with their bodies is there's a reason the parasites and the fungus and all these things are there. And if you just kill them, while it may make you feel better or it may make you feel way worse in the short term, if you did not address, if there's if there's still stagnation, they're just gonna be right back there, usually within three months. And that's what generally everyone I've talked to finds. They just keep coming back, and then they just keep killing them over and over. But it's like, you know, why did why do they keep coming back?

SPEAKER_00 56:41

Yeah, and then what what a major stress on the body, you know, for you to kill the pro, you know, killing it and then it coming back. And that's how fibroids work too. That's you know, you cut them out, but they'll come back. And even getting nodules, same thing. Um, you cut them out, they'll come back. So we have to address the why.

unknown 56:59

All right.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Well, this is great. I want to keep just going for like another hour, but we're gonna try to keep it a little shorter. So let's let's close out. So, I mean, you've got a lot to offer here. What you mentioned, I think, that something about the blue thyroid blueprint, something. Tell us, tell everyone how they can work with you, what you have in terms of um like in person, and then what you have in terms of like an online offering as well.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

So in I only work with um patients within California in person. Um, I'm not expecting new patients right now, but I am in my uh health coaching practice, which is thyroid pearl. You can find me on Instagram, thyroidpearl or thyroidpearl.com, and I work with clients, mostly women, um, ages 35 and up, perimenopausal and menopausal ages, um, and I help them with their thyroid imbalances or you know, with this this, you know, feeling uh where they have weight gain, where they're not not sleeping well, these common thyroid symptoms. And so usually when I work with them, they'll usually have me help their husbands or their kids. And so it becomes more family-oriented, but it's usually women who come into my practice first.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

Perfect. All right, so thyroid pearl, and then the best way for them to reach out if they're interested in your program is just through, is it through the Instagram?

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Yeah, through the Instagram, send you a DM. And then so just for a reference, like what would the process look like in terms of like, is this a three-month program? Is the you know, what like what is tell us a little bit more about it.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Yeah. So I have one-on-one and group coaching programs, and usually, you know, there's there's actually have several programs. So we can work where I just work with you at one time, um, where I work for you one month, three months, and then four months. So we need some time together where we're actually gonna have continual contact. Because when I was going through this process, I didn't have a buddy or I didn't have a doctor or a practitioner to work with where I can, you know, I'm feeling bloating now, but the bloating is different from yesterday. It's like the bloating energy is like outside in versus inside out, and I want to be able to talk to someone live. And so that's why I started creating these programs where they have access to me and I'm able to talk them through and we can change things so that we really feel supported the entire way so they have um continual support so that healing can happen.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Perfect. All right, so I'll put that in the show notes uh for anyone that wants to check it out at Thyroid Pearl on Instagram. And that's fantastic. This was a lot of fun. I learned, I learned a lot. I mean, I'm just thinking back on the water thing. I'm like, I gotta rethink things a little bit about the dehydration and everything. So that's great insights, um, great perspective. I really appreciate your time today, and I look forward to staying connected.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

Thank you. Good to be here.