SPEAKER_00 0:14

All right, welcome back everyone to another episode of the Detox Experience. I'm here today with Carlos Damian, and I think this is going to be uh a good conversation today. So we haven't really we haven't really uh talked much, but you reached out and you said um you know you've had a good experience with uh with Zocharge and you thought you could uh have something to contribute to the to the show. So thanks for coming on today.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Yeah, I know it is a it's a real pleasure. Um yes, I have a have a great story about it because I tried many things, like like probably a lot of us. Um yeah, I'm coming from uh I was to make it sure, I was I was diagnosed when I was in my teens with several rake dermatitis. It's just uh uh an inflammatory chronic condition of the skin that um is basically caused by the overabundance or overgrowth of uh of a yeast and um malasepsia is the name. I mean it it's it's the contributor for several other conditions, but specifically I had this one, and it's been a struggle ever since. And and and I I'm talking about my teens and I am 48. And well, it's been a fight on and off forever. Um so yeah, I I tackled many many strategies. It made me well, I'm coming also from from being a Chubby teen and had you know dysfunctions since since my early days. Nothing too serious, nothing like to call 911, but you know, those persistent ones that are like always there, and you you you know, whatever you do, nothing is really happening, maybe for a couple of months, and then everything comes back with a vengeance or something, you know, like more and more like well. So um I I I I tried, I I was getting a normal life basically. I went to the university, then um uh I graduated. Um, I became a chemical engineer. Uh then I but I was always having something related to the skin, always. And it migrated, it is basically on the scalp, but it goes to whatever it wants to. It can go, it can go even to your growing area. Uh, there was a period of my life that I had it down there. I mean, it was totally any it is and when it comes to aesthetics, it's terrible, man. It's terrible. So so well, I um uh you know, fast forward, um I became uh uh I I migrate. I I I left my I'm originally from Venezuela, and you know, I don't know if you know a little bit about Venezuela, but it's been a little bit hard to to be there. And um so I left. Uh I came to the States and I I just I I became I I I turned into health uh for two reasons because I really love helping people and because I was looking for answers for myself. Um right after I became a personal trainer, then I became a nutritional coach. Uh I kept studying, studying, studying, and uh 10 years past, 15 years past, and I bumped into the FDA methodology. Um and it wasn't you know till then when I really started to see light about my condition. Um and uh basically I tried many detoxes, many, many, many uh green juices, uh fasting for several days. Um I tried charcoal, I tried coolites, I tried uh I don't know. I tried, I tried, I I was I don't know if you know one called uh oxidative. Um I had it written here, which is very interesting. OSR is called oxidative stress relief, which is uh another compound that uh scientists found. Yeah, boy. It's like there you go, void Haley. And um but but it's very easy discriminate too. So yeah, somehow it doesn't touch aluminum. I mean, I was very curious. I dig down you know into the science of it, um, but it was not really helping. It was it is a little bit targeted to Mercury. Oh, and on top of that, I have I have still Mercury Phoenix in my mouth. So everything, I mean, it's been really, really hard until I saw you on an FDM podcast. And uh, and I remember Lucy, I think, was uh uh she um uh she mentioned um I mean you both were talking about your your CO charge and uh how specific can be and how you know people are trying it right after trying many other things. Um and thanks to it, and to I I developed my own protocol through research and also with the help of uh of Dr. Julie Greenberg, is an specialist on skin issues, and it's a functional specialist on screen in skin issues, and um so it wasn't until I used CO charge that I really really saw real durable results. I I I mean there's plenty of of ways to tackle yeast infections, um but I I it was for me a little bit of um of a of a deeper research to find the relationship between toxins, heavy metals, and certain other pollutants that could be actually uh holding or creating biofilms for this yeast and other another another because they work you know in in teams, all these all these um uh bacteria, fungi, and and uh and actually it was very curious because I I had helicopter pylori and then I could work on it holistically, but then it came back, but it wasn't because I I got I got X another exposure, it was because it was somehow still in a biofilm with the fungi, with Candida and with some other Gs that they they they help each other somehow. Yeah. So so yeah, so right after I tried um this, I started a new protocol. I I tested myself with uh with a foundational test from FDN. Um because also I I was developing this this recurring fatigue that it was not normal right after I passed my my 40, 42. I was training people since early morning and and it was a routine, a nice routine for me. It's being awake since five. Uh but somehow it started aggravating my situation with the fatigue and with uh with the dermatitis. Uh I mean I I actually even have a picture that that is just like you know, it was so embarrassing that I never took a picture of my face. But when it went to my chest covering all this area, man, it was scary. It was like like like like like this type of infect, you know, the type of of things that you see sometimes in people that you don't want to see in people, or you're like like these people have something, you know, like so. So yeah, I'm going back and forth, but just just like um try to keep the ideas in my mind in order. So then um thanks to FDN, I I could work on my on my on my lifestyle. I I got better on both, but a year passed and then the dermatitis came back. And I was already eating healthy, I I did the MRT, uh, I ran the MRT on me, so I was really eating consistently non-inflammatory foods for me. Uh I found the right diet for me. I was getting, I mean, I removed a layer of inflammation off of me, like like I was getting better overall, but then this thing came back. So I I I dig deeper and I found um this uh help from from from thanks to FDN, you know, FDN opened doors to everything holistically, and and it's just for me is now what it is, is is the way to go for is the missing link that we had between you know the people that are lost trying the cycle of the of trial and error and always going back to their to their persistent uh discomforts and health complaints. So uh I was getting better and then it came back. Once uh I heard about you, and then I I was okay. Like, like I mean, I've tried so many things. Why not try something else if I don't have anything else to lose? I've already I'm already so bad. And uh and it wasn't it was kind of under control a little bit, but it was there, you know, it was never gone. I had like I knew that I was getting better, but then there was like a little shadow of it. And then I was like, you know what, I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try Sierra Charge. I really like, I really like the way you you talked about it, and it was also you you also are an FDN, right? So so I was like, okay, let's go. So I I I bought three at once and I and I didn't I didn't try trade, I didn't try it like let's start with one, let's start with I let's start with five, let's start with five scopes in on an empty stock. I mean I did I did I tried GID talks, I tried so many things that are always like good, but they were good just as much, just as much, just as much. And also the concern of being indiscriminate was always in my head. And and and I was not gonna use when I was a kid uh conosol or all these you know ointments. There was something in my mind that was like there was this smell about it, about these colicoids things and asteroids, and then I I I I I read about the the steroid syndrome, the the withdrawal asteroid syndrome, the topical steroid withdrawal syndrome. And I was still young and I was like, I'm not gonna do this. So I I I already discarded without knowing the function the the the the conventional approach. I was like, I'm not gonna take it. It's not working for me. This smell, this thing, I always itch it differently. But anyway, CO charge came to my life. I bought three, I tried, I tried five scoops on an anti scotomics for three days, and and and something happened in my mind. Like I was like, this is working. There's something, I don't know how. It was probably my intuition, I was more and more in tune with my body. Something is happening. And then I read one of your posts about about how CO light, CO charge uh works, that it's it actually removes what's keeping you foggy somehow, and then goes deeper, and then goes deeper and deeper, or removes it removes layers and layers and layers. I mean, this is my understanding, of course, you can clarify it a little bit. But um but I think this is exactly what was going on, and two weeks and a half exactly into zero charge, daily on an empty stomach, five scoops, it was it disappeared, it was gone completely, completely to a point that I I I I was in denial. I was like, is he dead looking in the mirror, you know? Is it still there? Like I mean, I'm I'm traumatized. Right. So so now it's um bit is is so I I'm I this is my month number five with your charge. Uh and I think I got married to your product, no? I think yeah, and I now I'm using it with my clients. Um, I started one week with uh one client, and one one client has 10 days on it, another one has one week on it. I mean, I'm I was I prepare my clients to do you know step by step. I uh it depends on on the case, of course. So I don't I don't throw everything at once or um as an FDN and and I and I really I really think that this methodology works wonders. Especially for me. Um I tried everything, of course, before and I want to be convinced that CO charge was the key point, the real the turning point of my protocol, my personal protocol, especially against separate dematics, which is uh very persistent, is very uh tricky and uh because it can be it can be all these conditions can be triggered by any even by a thought can be triggered. So going deep uh with it and and and create this state of confidence in my mind to the point of of really sharing with my clients, it means something to me and and and and I'm very grateful. Um so I really really wanted to share the story. Actually, if there's a chance that if you if you don't mind, I can I I would like to share the picture of what I where where I was, uh uh because it is it is just unbelievable. It is it is like crazy. Like is that you were there one time? I mean, I was not going to that what that's gonna pull pieces forget about what me taking the shadow? Never like even talking to people, like knowing that I have a flare in my face was like so uncomfortable, and and how we you know is it's so it's so amazing how we really get to get to still kind of manage to be happy and be okay with these things, even even having this conventional approach telling you that you know this is you, this is the way it is, take your own or or that's it. You know, I I there was something in the back of my head that was like, This is wrong, like there's something off here. Like I was doubting completely. I I was 18, and my dermatologist told me like you know that you're gonna live with this and this because I I was concerned one week and coming from a from from finals, and and of course I was like, this right horrible and my dad no no, but just in you know, increase the dosage. And I'm like, what are you talking about? This is this smells so disgusting. This is like it's like so listen, it's it's so man, I I get emotional sometimes. It's so it's so bad that I was now one in the protocol to clear it a little bit and accelerate the process, you can use uh apple cider vinegar. And I was willing to smell like a salad a thousand times more day every day, then going back to those ointments and creams and you know asteroids and anti fungal creams. So it is it is it is very, very, very significant nowadays. So if you I mean I don't know if it's okay, it's it, but um I can I can I have it somewhere handy here that should.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

But um yeah, so I mean people would if you want to share, people would definitely like to see um see the picture. This this recording is only gonna be uh it's probably not gonna be a video.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

So we can I can share it with you or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Yeah, we can figure out a way where we can uh maybe have a link to like I could have a web page on my site, or we could we could have a link in the show notes that people can click and then they can see the picture.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Yeah, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Or or we can set up you know a separate little video or something, but we'll yeah, we'll we'll figure something out with the link um so people can check it out because yeah, people are always interested in the visuals.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

So uh I know, I know, yeah, yeah. That that I mean I've been I've been using it too because it is it is and now I mean it's been it's been so bad and it was so bad that I was super close with this information. I was not really revealing this out loud. This is the I think this is the first time that I that I go public. Uh I mean, besides you know, commenting into my practice with my with my very close um uh friends, families, and and clients, because I've been helping clients with skin issues just just like like like in the past couple of months because I'm I'm kind of going into that uh um I don't want to say niche because I'm helping everyone, but yeah, probably I'm gonna be more biased into skin problems because now I'm so familiar with it and I've been you know I I consider myself an ex myself an expert on on this thing. I've tried so many things that didn't work at all. At all. Not not even, you know, you cannot say like, okay, let's take this weekend and use these. And no, I wouldn't recommend it. It's it's not worth it.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah. Well, yeah, okay. So we have a lot, we have a lot to talk about from what you said. So thank thanks for thanks for sharing all that. That was some really good background. So I mean it's this has been a 30-year process, you said, or you know, you started in your teens, you're 48, and started, you know, back in Venezuela, and then you moved to the States. So, and just for clarification for people, FDN, which you've mentioned, is is a functional diagnostic nutrition, and it's a certification program where people can basically become uh for functional diagnostic nutrition practitioners, and then they help people. It's like a functional health program where they run labs and you know it's it's like a functional health um coach. So that's what the program you've done. I've done that as well. And so just for people that didn't know what that was when you've uh when you mentioned the FDN. So you got into that because you you were basically saying, I don't want to take these topical steroids and these medications for skin because it just didn't feel right to you. It smelled weird. You're willing to do, like you said, you're willing to smell like a salad with the apple cider vinegar opposed to that, right? All these things. And then you got into this, you know, FDN. So you could help yourself and you could help other people. And I'm just kind of uh recapping to my understanding. Yeah, you had you had you know some benefits, you tried all sorts of stuff, and then um you got into Zocharge, and then that it kind of took things to the next level, right? So why do you do you do you have any thoughts on you know why Zocharge was able to make such a difference when some of the other binding agents you mentioned like GI detox and um you mentioned I think maybe a seaweed or something you had taken in the past? Like, like were those were those providing some benefit, but just not moving the needle that much? Or or what was your experience with some of the other binders? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Wow. I I even I tried I tried many, many of them, and and they just they just gave me a like a very short-term relief, but not complete relief. Like, like, like I told you, I always had it, I I would have like a shade on the skin that it goes it like like it made me think that I was on the right path, but all of a sudden came back. It didn't really clear completely and then came back. And it happened with every with probably five to seven detox approaches. Uh but but to but um the oh probably there was like a couple that were there were none of them worked. There was a couple that were worse than the other ones, none of them were good. Uh and I'm talking about some clays, charcoal, uh GID talks. Um probably I I was using them in a wrong way or in a wrong moment, or or or or I was not completely connected with the way that I should have used them. But this is where CHR shines. Like I was I didn't prepare to use CO charges. Like I was not like some of the like, for example, the OSR requires some some preparation. Like you need to to clean yourself, you need to have a you know, a process, and then it requires a follow-up, so it's not done once you get to so so all of them are with I was willing to take the hassle, I was willing to do it, but CO charge is just straight to the point, that's it, and it it made it happen. You know, it is it is uh I mean it's so good, and I've been even I've been looking into all your all your work um that I'm planning on using and using it from now on with with everyone that I that I find appropri appropriate, you know. Yeah, uh but yes, I uh I think the none of them were really moving the needle enough, none of them were giving me real results, and I tried many things. Like I I I know that I sound like a broken record, but I it you know, like I told you, I I got I got to a point that I That I was willing to try anything because nothing was helping. Uh so yeah, and then Zo charge well just really did the job.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Like super fast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

And I'm gonna come back, we're gonna talk a little bit about more uh OSR in a minute, but in terms of kind of the Zo charge timeline, so you started taking it, you said you went straight to five scoops, and then you said empty stomach once per day, five scoops, and then two and a half weeks later, you said the skin was clear.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Is that right? Okay, and was that so is that really the first time the skin had completely been clear?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Absolutely, first time the very first time in my life that I had the clean completely because it if it's not really clearing, it was migrating, but I was never clear. Yeah, it was from the scalp to the to the nose to the forehead to to it was migrating always the but it was always saying hi to someone, yeah. It was always there. You know, it was a real problem. It was a real problem, like for me, not for yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

So so when so once you started, so two and a half weeks in the skin cleared up, has and now you've been on it for five months. Has has there been like has the skin issue kind of been coming and going, or has it just been gone ever since?

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Or it's been I mean, for the right, like I told you, the first three days I saw a change, especially in the way I was thinking about the product and about me. Because I was I knew that there was a click, something has happened, and then probably three months into it, um yes, something happened, but I know what happened. These type of conditions are definitely triggered by by lifestyle, right? Like by you can you can whatever things that you can control basically, which are which are I call them the easy ones, but at the same time the hard ones. Because if you go to a party, right, if you have you have peer pressure, it's really hard for you to say I don't I don't eat cake for the sake of this happy birthday, I don't, you know, or things like that. So one night I went to a birthday party and I had a glass of wine with a piece of cake. That was enough. But it came it came back as a tiny spot in my forehead and disappeared three days after because I was consistent with SEO charge. I I mean now I'm the I'm a devotee. I'm now I trust so much on the SEO charge that I know I went back immediately to to my non-inflammatory diet. Uh uh, I mean I'm I'm the first one to promote a healthy lifestyle, right? And I think I do what I say. But sometimes, you know, once once in a blue moon, there's these situations, right? I didn't even eat I in I didn't even have what the amount of sugar that I used to have or the amount of alcohol that I used to have. I don't drink anymore. Um but that was a very special occasion. We were celebrating a birthday with a graduation, with a like three or four celebrations at a time. The you know, there was a cheers moment. Uh so go ahead, yeah, yeah, let's get some champagne, wine. I don't even remember and uh and that's it. So I know I know by a fact that sugar, carbohydrates, refined carbohydrates and alcohol like like it's a no-go, absolute no-go, like like zero unless you want a flare. So so but yes, CO charge was there. I didn't increase the dosage just you know, just for that night. I was just keeping myself on it. I went back to eating the way I know how how to and and I didn't I didn't do any any any other thing different than going back to my gene, sweating, you know, take care of my of my detox pathways, and my five scoops of CO charge in the morning on an empty stomach, followed by I have my regular morning, morning water. I call it the morning water, which is some kind of uh you know, endocrine boost uh with with some lemon salt, yeah, honey, and so that's it. Nothing ever seeds.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Yeah. Well, perfect. No, that's incre that's incredible. I'm really happy it's working so well for you. And it's one, it's one of those interesting things because a lot of people have um you know stories that are have similarities where they had you know skin issues for a number of years, they tried everything, nothing was really working that well or not sustainable. And then they took the zoo charge and it cleared it up pretty quickly, and they were like, why? You know, I don't understand why this is working or how it's working. Um and but but you have the other side where sometimes, just so people you know have realistic expectations, sometimes people actually get skin flare-ups when they take the zoocharge, right? Because as the toxins are coming out, sometimes it's go to the skin. So it's one of those things where usually it improves the skin health, and just because it's, you know, it's it's kind of reducing that toxicity that's leaving the skin or reducing the inflammatory reaction or the yeast or whatever is causing the skin issues, um, calming things down. But sometimes it's all based on you know how your body's responding to the product. And sometimes taking a higher dose can, you know, prevent the skin issues or improve them, or taking a low dose will make it worse. Like so, some people will take you know a half of a scoop of zoocharge and they'll get a skin flare because they didn't take enough and it was kind of a stressful detox response. But then if they took six scoops or four scoops or five scoops or somewhere in there, it actually made their skin better. So it's all about the detox response and kind of what's happening in the body. So just something for people to be aware of. Because I know some people will, you know, listen to this and they're like, this is guaranteed to fix my skin right away or whatever. You know, everyone has a different experience. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Yeah, yeah, no, I I I I I agree a hundred percent. Um I'm I'm just talking specifically about my case and how it really really benefited me and how I mean I I I was doing my homework. I I was my body was already at a point that it was already kind of clean when I started doing SEO charge, you know, when I started using it, um, I I was already I I already I I had already started a path, a healthy pathway. It was it wasn't, you know, that I that I was still looking for answers that I didn't know, and I was full of toxins. Uh probably I was already clean enough for SO charge to just take cover whatever was left. And another another point that I want to highlight is that I have a very nice amount of tattoos. So when I performed one of the tests, I had a lot of a lot of heavy metals in my body, with some mycotoxins and some, and um, and I know that the CO charge I mean, of course, there's no guarantees that it was exclusively CO charge because again, my my lifestyle is not a regular conventional lifestyle. I I I meditate every day, I I go to the gym every day, I I eat for my for my body type, for my metabolic type, for my uh you know, non-inflammatory foods for me. I I I really you know have a very nice sleep hygiene that I'm still working on. And things, you know, I I work on my on myself, so I have better tools for my clients. Um and I test things. So it it I know I know that it the tipping point was CO charge because already my pathway was already to to that point, to that level, when I I know that this was the thing that changed everything. Um because I've tried some other many some other things, and I was already kind of path. I've been I've been working on myself religiously probably for the past two to three years when the fatigue was really hitting me to a point that I I I was never never an app person, and I had I was I was crashing on Wednesdays and Thursdays at 2.3 p.m. And this never had happened to me. So so yeah, I know that it also helped me with the quality of my sleep, it also helped me with with taking decisions, with my fogginess, with I mean things that I didn't even know I had. You know, I I was I thought that I was okay, you know, that was good until CO charge gaming gave me some more boost. I think is is a great addition for my for what I've been doing. Uh and of course it's not it's not a magic bullet, it's not it's not you know the holy grail, but it is a great addition to your protocol if you're already working on yourself, if you already, you know, if you have a path, if you already have had you know has walked for a while trying you know to detoxify because I mean first off, I have I have metal feelings in my mouth, I have tattoos, I I'm I'm you know the right person to have a heavy metal, like I know I have heavy metals in my butt you don't have I don't have to test myself either, but I just wanted to see how much and how much deep I was into that and how much I had to work on. And and I all I did was all I did was getting more confused because all the detox the the let's say let's say advanced detox protocols out there are confusing. They they they they require specific conditions and their follow-ups, and then you have to be diligent. And so I think the the the CO charges gives you also freedom, a little bit of freedom for this, for for you know, you don't have to really feel too rigid at the time of oh I'm I'm in a detox protocol, I cannot do this. I'm I'm I'm you know I'm limited in my life. So guys, no, I cannot do that with you. Like, no, totally the opposite, you know, uh is so so that's another point that I wanted to add because like I like I tell you, I I I give advices to my clients, and of course I'm promoting a very nice free of charge lifestyle. You know, I don't want you to feel you know uh called you know I don't want you to to to be the guy that is ruining the parties or the guys that is saying to everyone no no no I'm especial like I don't you know it's it's all about being connected, you know, I'm more aligned with my body now, and that's why my clients uh that's why my that's what my cli that's what I want my clients to say to people, like you know, I'm I'm more aligned with my body, and that's that's that's my that's why I'm getting better, as you can see as my friend, right? Um I'm a better person, I'm doing this better, or I'm moving better, or I'm like um just better overall, which is the whole point. Yeah. So so yeah that's that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's really great. It just makes me, I mean, I was literally just just now just like you know, silently like thanking God for you know just this opportunity because it just makes me feel good. It's like, you know, it's it's nice to have a job that I like that I can you know profit from and you know, but when it's helping people and hearing these stories, it's it's really nice because it's just like it's like when you can when you can do something kind of like you're doing, like you're doing something that helped yourself, but you're it it's you know supporting yourself financially while helping other people, it's just it's just a nice bonus opposed to doing something that you hate for you know for 40 years or whatever. So anyway, I'm thankful for thankful for that. But it's um yeah, it's it's really great and it's inspiring. And yeah, I am really thankful. So just to finish off here, I wanted to touch on the OSR because I have some experience with that as well. So uh for people that don't know, yeah, OSR is is a key leader, it's a key that that's the prior name. So Boyd Haley uh was a biochemist, University of Kentucky. He was doing research into Alzheimer and kind of you know trying to identify causes and things. And he kind of came to the conclusion that mercury played a huge role in the formation of Alzheimer's, and um to the point where he said, you know, this is a huge issue. And then he was looking for solutions to get the mercury out of people's brains and out of people's bodies. And he came to the conclusion that there were really weren't very good um options because he was looking, and this was a mainstream guy, right? Mainstream um, you know, medical guy or you know, biochemical guy at a university. And he was looking at EDTA and DMSA and you know some of these synthetic chelators, and he said, you know what, these are just not going to get the job done. He said they're gonna, you know, grab stuff, they're gonna drop it all over the place. He called them kind of complexing agents opposed to actual chelators. So he went ahead and developed his own chelator. And at the time he was calling it OSR, it was sold as a supplement, and then the FDA kind of swooped in and uh took care of that. That was probably 15, 16 years ago now. And then it's been in trials to be a drug, you know, for a long time. There's a there's a number of clinical studies, there's different names of marramide and erminex and all this other stuff. But anyway, he developed this compound, this chelating agent specifically to go after mercury. And it was, you know, it really is the strongest known chy leader for mercury, and it was to the point where once this compound, let's just call it OSR, binds to mercury, it never lets go because it actually generates new compounds. So in some of the research, they were, you know, giving um they were they were combining OSR with mercury and then feeding that to animals, and it was completely it wasn't even hurting them because it was completely non-toxic. And these were like lethal doses, if it was just the mercury, it would kill them. So it's it's like an inert substance once it's bound. So that's just showing you the strength of the key later. So I was uh, and I'm not endorsing this, I'm actually not at all, but but from from uh when you just think about it and you hear these things, you think this is the greatest thing, this is what I need. If I have mercury, I need it. And initially, when I first started getting into Zeolite about six years ago, uh, I said, okay, I was actually combining them. I was doing the OSR with the Zeo Charge. And I thought that that's what people needed because you had, you know, the strongest known mercury chelator, and then you combine that with, you know, this broad spectrum binder, it's gonna be fantastic. And then I came to realize that um, and this was actually shocking to me, but I I came to realize that the Zocharge was actually more effective at detoxing mercury than the OSR was, right? And it's like people are like, that's ridiculous. But it's because it's not all about direct binding, right? So that's that's really the thing to understand is we have to understand that our bodies are doing what they're doing for a reason. And sometimes our bodies are holding on to mercury in the brain or in tissue as a self-defense mechanism, and they don't want to let go. So when you look at some of the the studies for OSR and the animals and even you know the short-term human studies, if you're just like when they when they give the mercury to the animal, poison it with it, and then they give it the OSR and then it binds it and removes it and the animal lives, that's because it's a short, it's very effective for short term. The mercury has not settled into the tissue yet. But if you have amalgam fillings for 30 years, or you know, the mercury has settled in, the chelators do not work in the same way because now they go in and the body doesn't necessarily want to let go because they've settled in, right? If it's just floating around, chelators can be effective. So anyway, it's it's very interesting. So a lot of people I was I was in touch with that were taking OSR that were, that were not healthy, they were had more complex illnesses, it just did not work for them at all. And a lot of them could even feel a tug of war effect in their brain, where because the high uh the OSR was designed to go into fat, it's um hydrophobic. So it goes straight to the fat cells into the brain. And people could feel a tug-of-war effect where it was actually pulling. Like it was like it was attached to the mercury in the brain, but the brain did not want to let it go. It was very interesting. So I don't so that's where I I kind of had to say if this is the best chelator that's out there, and it's still still not really still not really working for people that are chronically ill or have complex illnesses, then maybe there needs to be another approach. That's why at this point I don't really recommend any chelators. I think they're effective if you were just poisoned, like if you were just exposed. But in terms of removing the long-term accumulated toxic elements, um, I think that the other approaches are a little more effective that you know encourage the body to release. So, anyway, that's my experience with it. Um, if you have anything to add on that, go for it.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

The the um that that's a big difference on acute exposure and and and in 30 years of exposure. So, so of course that that that makes a big difference uh with the product that you're using. Uh absolutely, absolutely make especially OSR, of course. Uh it's different the way the that it works for deep, deep into the tissues. If you've been, if you had it the mercury for 30 years, like me, I've had it since I'm since I'm nine or ten, so it's been probably 40 years, uh, that I had it in my mouth, uh, the effect in me is different than I just I just broke a ghoul. You I don't know if you remember probably not, but we used these thermometers back in the days that they that they had mercury in it, and we used to play with them. So let me let me tell you that we used to open them, break them, and play with them. So if you now just do that, right, and touch it or get exposed to, it's different because you're probably gonna get a better, a better you know, benefit. But when it's really into your organs, like like like like Mercury can can do and some other heavy metals, so yeah, is is it's it's way different the way that he open that he operates.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

It's just it's one of those things where you have to, you know, as a practitioner, you have all these tools and you have to know when to use the right tool. You can't use the same, even if you have, you know, if if you know a hammer is your favorite tool, you can't just use a hammer for everything. Like there's a certain purpose, yeah. So like so like if you're just exposed to something, OSR might be the best possible thing, right? It's a tool for acute exposure, certain situations. But then if you have you know chronic issues, you just you have to understand what the tool is used for. So, but I mean, honestly, like like Boyd Haley's incredible. I think he did an incredible job designing that. And um, you know, it is what it is, it's great for what it's used for. Unfortunately, it's it's still not used for uh available for human consumption, like um it's been approved. By the FDA still, yeah, there was like special um opportunities where you could get up to two weeks' worth, but it's like by the time you could even get approved for that program you know, months later, it would be too late because you need it for the acute exposure.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Yeah, and and I think, sorry, but I think also that it that there's these nuances when it comes to the complexity of the cases. Um that that uh if if you if you know that these the these type of approaches indiscriminate, if you know that you that it that it's it's gonna be touching even even good minerals, good good good metals, you know, like like like iron, like like molybdenum, the things that are supposed to stay in your body and help you, but these things is actually removing it. So think, for example, that it is is so crucial for inflammation, for the skin, for so many other processes, but you are through a detox process that is actually removing a very key nutrient, so there's there's plenty of contradictions there, right? So that's when CO charge you know is making it. It leaves the good things inside. So even though I don't I don't I don't I don't of course I'm not blindly trusting any cleaner or binder, I'm I'm replenishing my minerals every day, I'm I'm I'm working on on my way of being I'm in tune with my body, I'm listening to my body consistently. I'm just not really said, like, okay, let me take this Kool Aid, right? Which is your charge, and then no, I I was also very aware of what I was feeling. I I was trying to to know to monitor myself, which is part of what I try to to promote with my clients, you know, like the whole goal here is you you get back to own your health, to have control over yourself, it's you know, self-respect and self-love is about me taking care of myself and stuff outsourcing everything. It's easier to just find corporates for everything. Yeah, uh so of course I was in tune. So I think that is is a great is it's it is is it's like day and night when it comes to regular binders and regular killators out there and and zero charge, like like like like the way the way you make you make it, the way you made it, it is it's working.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

I think it's working. I think, yeah, and it's it's and it even surprised me. I mean, the case studies program was kind of in, you know, it because we were just trying to figure out you know if this stuff actually worked before we started selling it. And we were surprised at how well it did work, and that's where we were realizing that it was even working better than OSR, and it was kind of surprising, but it you know taught me a lot about how detox works and how it's up to the body. And a lot of times we we think that we know what the problem is, because we're like, you know, we've like in your case, it's like okay, amalgam fillings, playing with mercury from a thermometer as a child. Like, you know, mercury's an issue, but that doesn't mean it's the only issue, it's part of the issue. So when you take a specific chelator or a supplement designed specifically. For mercury, it's like, yes, you're addressing part of it, but what is the what is the outcome of that of that protocol? Because there's so much other stuff that's attached to the mercury and it all gets stirred up. And then it's like we have to take into account all that. And we can't necessarily because it's too complex. And that's why I think the broad spectrum uh capacity of zoocharges is so unique because not only is it binding to mercury and other heavy metals, but it's binding to some of the waste products that are produced from the biofilms and other things that are disrupted during the detox process. And then you know, excess histamine and metabolic waste and all this other stuff. So I think I don't know, it's it's very interesting. Um, but yeah, Boyd Haley, I wasn't trying to like say his product wasn't good. I didn't think it's good. He's also done some great work. Um, he really contributed, he's contributed in a positive way. He's he's done some really interesting studies on like the rook, you know, infected teeth, like rook canal treated teeth, showing how toxic those are, even worse than the amalgam fellings in a lot of cases. He's shown you know the synergy of different metals when you combine different toxic elements.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

I'm convinced that he's coming from a good heart and trying to like everybody, you know, like everyone are trying to help, and then we but we're trying to find something that that is like a holy grail for for and and you know it can it can just partially work and and but we cannot just say you know scream eureka just because we'll find something that is you know it probably i it is it is good, but but it it works the way it works.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's just uh yeah, yeah, like you said, it's it's uh it's a tool.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

I mean it's it's a thing in it is a tool. We have it in a bookstore, in a toolbox, and then whatever we you know, we need it, we don't need it, but uh but for these type of cases definitely zero charge. Uh I have I have a couple of of of questions for you inside inside the the my specific uh uh story. Uh one is like uh at what at what age do you think I'm talking about kids? Like when do you think it is it is safe? When when could you start using when you know that that this kid has been exposed to something or it's been eaten a lot of rice or or you know this type, you know, oatmeals and all these types of things that are sources of these toxic toxic things. Yeah, and um when do you think it is convenient or or because I work with kids too, so yeah, so I like I like to know because I know that the the heavy metal exposure, uh mycotoxins, and and different other toxic and pollutants are actually detrimental to their mental health and some other things.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think it's it's one of those things we haven't done, we didn't do any of our case studies on children, and there's really not a lot of clinical research. So technically we don't really officially recommend it for children just based on that. But when you think of you know detox, it's it's bind the binding approach is the safest way to detox, like it's the safest category of detox because you're just binding opposed to forcing things. So um, opposed to any alternative when it comes to detox, you know, you just have to understand what it is, what it's doing. There are, you know, lots of children of all ages that have taken Zocharge and are taking Zoocharge that have gotten really good results based on you know feedback from parents. But um, it's one of those things that's just you know what you're comfortable with your child. And um yeah, so I don't know, it's it's kind of tricky. I mean, like, like there's been, you know, even from very, very early ages, um, babies have have taken it for specific issues. It's not like the baby's perfectly healthy and we're just gonna give this just in case.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

It's like, you know, yeah, to make him a superhero. Yeah, yeah, just you know, like I because I was looking it up in your Instagram and I couldn't find an age. I I I I I bumped into several posts where you have like a lot of parents very proud of the results and and and in and really really highlighting the differences of the kids and how they're getting better, but I couldn't find any any parent that yeah. I mean, I my eight-year-old or my 12-year-old, you know, they were just saying my kid, my son, my kid, my son, probably my son is 22. And you know, yeah, yeah, that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

22 spot. I mean, the old, yeah, it's I mean, like I've even I've I've given it to a few friends for their babies for specific purposes, just you know, kind of experimental purposes, like here you go, if you want to try this. Like the one was my old roommate, they had a child, and um, you know, the baby for the first, I think, three months, maybe six months of life, never had a um a hard, uh a firm bowel movement. It was diarrhea every single bowel movement for the first time. I think it was six months. And then I was like, here, if you want to try this deo charge, and this was probably four years ago, you know, go ahead and try it. And it cleared it up on the second day, as in it firmed it up. So there was the first solid poop. So, you know, she the mom was was pretty pleased with that. So that's a situation where it's like trying to do something, but then it kind of cleaned it up after, I don't know, a month, and then she never used it again for the child because she's trying to, you know, she doesn't want him on anything basically. So there's that case and skin back to the skin issue. One of my other uh friends, his his son had um some sort, you know, some sort of skin aggravation for the first couple months of life, and nothing was working. So then they gave zero charge and it cleared it up within a week. So there's there's situations where I think it could be worth trying, but it's one of those things we just can't officially do, and you have to just use judgment and you know work with the practitioner and all that other all that other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

You know, we're highlighting that that specific case of the kids, like this is this uh several dermatitis is very popular in in in in infants like like like like newborns because they get this rash and um and it's called different it's called cradle cradle scalf or something like that. And and I'm pretty sure that it comes from from from the womb womb exposures and and and and and mom exposures or or the conditions that they the kids have brought. And and I would I would I mean of course you don't you you you you you're not at that at that point with the with the product and the the research, but I think that that would be very would benefit those situations too, uh because it's basically the same, it's the same uh cause uh which is an overgrowth of these yeast. And uh but again, if you don't if you don't really respect the foundations of health, if you're not, you know, if you're not really go to basics and respect the basics, uh this is not uh one one fix, one type you know one type of one fix up for one.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Yeah, yeah, and that's why I think I mean it's back to the the toolbox or tool analogy. It's you know, it's a it's a resource for practitioners to use, and then I let them kind of decide how they're gonna use it because you know I'm not working directly with any of these people. So if a customer reaches out and says, should I take it for this, it's kind of you know, I don't know anything about them. Whereas, you know, if if you're like yourself or a practitioner, they they have their history, they know what has worked, what hasn't, and they're in a bet better position to kind of answer some of those more specific questions because it's it's usually a little bit more difficult than yes or no, it's okay with limited information.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

You're right, you're right. Um I 100% agree because it comes down anyway. That there's no we are we are now we are our own entrepreneurs in this holistic approach, a holistic and integrative approach to life because there's no leaders here. Everyone is trying, you know, things and they like you know, uh yes, I try this and it and it works, guys. Try, try, give it a try. Because because we be with invent from from the resources, you know, talking about conventional approach and all this. It's really hard for us to really. I'm very grateful from the FDN uh Facebook group. Um I don't I don't know if you but they they they go there and they they talk about complex cases and then someone p cheat say like I tried this, he did try and I always work for me because unfortunately we don't have uh a real real super super developed guidance. We have to we are our own expecting these things, right? And and another another question is if it it to your mind is uh what about probably comes back again to the same answer that we haven't tried in all those populations, but what about if we lack of an organ or a viral organ? What about a thyroid or or or gallbladder or or because the gallbladder is even more connected to to to the detox process, right? From the for the bioproduction. So so what do you think? Do you have any any any anything to say?

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Um I mean, yeah, it probably depends on the organ. I mean, the the thing with the zoo charges it's just passing through the GI tract and it's just grabbing things and then it's moving on. So it just kind of depends on the interaction between, I mean, it's not gonna like with the thyroid, it uh yeah, it's kind of kind of tricky to answer, but um there's just a lot of considerations when you're missing an organ because the rest of the organs of the body have to compensate in some way. So then it's like, okay, what are they doing differently? And how is that gonna affect the detox process and how's that gonna affect a binder? So like if you're missing a gallbladder, then you're gonna have a different, you're gonna have different levels of uh of biore release, which is toxic. And one of the main benefits of zoocharge is binding to the toxicity in bile and preventing the recirculation back to the liver. But when you have, when you have a gallbladder, um, you know, the liver kind of dumps it into the gallbladder, the gallbladder stores it, and then you eat a fatty meal or whatever, you get this bile dump. And that's when you can take the zoo charge after and kind of bind to some of that. When you don't have a gallbladder, it's more of like a you know, like a trickle, like it just is kind of constant, like you don't get the big bile dump. So it's a little bit differently, uh acts a little bit different. But there's there's um a number of practitioners who specialize uh working with individuals who don't have gallbladders and they love the zoocharge, it's one of their foundational products. So I know like in that situation, they definitely would say it's more important than you know, the than the average person, even because you need it, you like your body is missing a detox organ, essentially. So you need additional support. But other than that, like certain organs, I I don't know, I think it's uh like I don't have any experience with it. No one's ever asked me it's kind of a tricky one.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Yeah, yeah, it is, it is, it is because if you you you're missing a vital organ and now you have to work around it and it says I have I I I happen to have a client with noble bladder and a client with no title, and I've been trying to help around and have you know, and it's being you know, I just wanna I just want to have as much information as I can for me to really you know deliver a a solid protocol. Um so but but it makes total sense, especially with the gallbladder one, like it makes total sense that actually it could be a real real assistance to the process of detoxification. Now with the thyroid one, uh it could be a little more complex, but at the same time, it also can help because at the end of the day, we also we always benefit from a good detox. And so so I I I I'll definitely keep you posted with that because I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna try and I'm gonna try with them and see yeah see how we go and then I've monitor them and see.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

Yeah. Well sounds good. All right. Well, let's close it off with why don't you just thank you very much for your time, first of all. I think this was very good. Uh, very good to you know hear the story. I'm happy it's working for you and that you're able to take you know what you've learned and your experiences and you know bring that to other people to help them. So, how how can people get in touch with you if they want to work with you or kind of want to see what you've got going on, what your offers are?

SPEAKER_01 55:58

Yeah, well, my my Instagram account, my my company is called Prevention as Lifestyle, Prevention as Lifestyle as is uh any and my website is.com, and my Instagram is at prevention as lifestyle. So prevention as lifestyle.com is my website. My Instagram account is prevention at prevention as lifestyle altogether, if you know spell it, spell it properly, and uh and those are my my main uh sources of contact. Um so yeah, it's been a real honor. Jeff, thank you for your time and and and thank you, thank you for for the your for your product and your and your work. This is this this is great, man. And and you're a very great source of information. Thank you so much, man.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

Well, absolutely, I appreciate it. And um, I I will get those links in the the show notes. So if people want to find your Instagram or website, they can find it. And then also I'll try to include we'll try to include some sort of link to an image uh that we discussed earlier. So just check check those out in the show notes. Just look through the show notes and see what's in there for in terms of uh finding all the info. So when you sorry, when you when you when you mean show notes, what do you think it's like when you when you go to the podcast app like Spotify or whatever, yeah. Then basically you just scroll down, then there'll be, I guess, in in the in this in the Apple, what is it, Apple, um, whatever the Apple version of i Apple iTunes, Apple Podcast, Apple Podcast, maybe whatever it is. Um, I don't really use Apple products, but that that one, there's no, I don't think they allow links in the show notes, but there'll be the website and you can copy and paste it.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

And then yeah, and and you you also are a you're in YouTube because I have spot, I mean Spotify, which is my go-to, but YouTube also, right?

SPEAKER_00 57:44

Um these these are not going on YouTube, not on YouTube. Yep, none of these have gone on YouTube just just because in a lot of the episodes there are things mentioned that would get you know flagged by YouTube, and then if you get a couple of things, then the entire site's gone.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

And then it's like we so we we do have uh, I think at least we have some of them on Rumble. Okay so Rumble is like the alternative uh kind of media YouTube platform. Your main source, your main platform is it it's any of the podcast apps, so people can go to you know Spotify, Apple. So they can if you go to thedox experience.com, then that is our main pet podcast website. And from there, you can actually download all the episodes directly from there, or you can down there's like links you can download them from any of the pod because it it goes to all the podcast apps.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

Okay, so yeah, I can I can find that link in your website or or yep, there's a link to it on the website too.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

I think it just says podcast. If you click on podcast, then it goes to the detox experience. Yeah. So yeah, or you yeah, just type it in the internet and you'll find it too. So awesome. Well, thank you so much. I I appreciate the time today and look forward to uh continue to you know hear some some progress reports in the future and we'll stay in touch.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

Yeah, man. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Have a beautiful rest of your day, man.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

You too.