SPEAKER_00 0:15

Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of the Detox Experience podcast. I am here today with Hannah from Madison, Wisconsin. And I think this is going to be a great time. So looking forward to the conversation. Hannah, thanks for uh joining the show today.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm really excited to share my journey with you and your audience.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Yeah, absolutely. So basically, I guess we could just start right there. We've we've never talked before. I don't really know that much about you. You reached out probably just a week or so ago and you just, you know, you just kind of wanted to tell your story and you had something to share. So why don't you just give us a little background and uh, you know, we'll just we'll just start rolling.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah, that's great. Um, so my background is occupational therapy, and then I also am a myofascial release practitioner. And um, for the last eight years, I've been doing occupational therapy, um, working in the school setting and um working in the school setting for about eight years, and then later in my career, I um found a different job at a school district and did that for about two years. And um, about two months in of working in one of the school buildings, I started to develop some pretty severe symptoms that were just debilitating. Um, so some of those symptoms were um fatigue, anxiety, brain fog, headaches, burning eyes, um, difficulty just kind of finding my words and processing new information. And some other just strange symptoms as well is like changes in my um signaling processing in my body. Um, so like telling if I was hungry or if I was full, which often led to waking. And so after experiencing all these different symptoms and not really knowing what to do, I reached out to my coworker who I was working directly with at the school, and she was telling me about the history of the building I was working in, and was telling me that there was a tornado that hit the school building years ago and caused extensive water damage and lots of repairing that was needed to be done in a really short period of time. And then she was telling me about like the roof leaking and just it was just a cascade of problems. And she ended up telling me that she's also been experiencing symptoms as well, and she's been in the school district for about 20 years, and so after hearing all this information and not knowing much about mold, it kind of left me feeling just like I want to figure it out. And I'm definitely like the type of person who's like my own advocate and want to like start researching, and so I started researching and I found Dr. Jill Krista, who's one of the leading practitioners out there in the mold space, and just learning about like mycotoxins and like you know, those toxic gases that are produced by mold. I never even had heard of that before. Um, so after kind of doing my own research, I decided that I needed to do some testing to figure out what was going on because my symptoms were not only getting worse at school, but when I got home, they were continuing to get worse when I got home. Um, so I ended up doing two different tests. Um, one of the tests that I did was a blood test, and so it was looking at um, like if I was allergic to mold, and it actually came back that I wasn't allergic to mold, but that doesn't mean that the environment still wasn't affecting me in my day-to-day. So I didn't stop there. I ended up doing the urine mycotoxin panel urine test, and that showed that I had super high levels of mycotoxins in my body, and specifically one of the mycotoxins um called okrotoxin A. And after researching that mycotoxin, it can come from food or water damaged buildings. And so that kind of led me into, you know, what was I gonna do next? But it gave me that also validation that um I wasn't crazy, that the symptoms were real, and led me to trying to look at what my next steps were in finding a new job and starting that spiritual journey that I was on. And so after just some time that I took, I was looking for different jobs. And when I was home one day, actually from work, because I wasn't feeling well, um, I was just on the internet looking, and I came across this new holistic clinic that was opening in Madison, Wisconsin, and I ended up applying for the job and um now working at uh clinic called the Healthy Place Holistic Clinic in Madison, Wisconsin, and now I'm the clinic manager, so I'm able to talk with patients every day that are coming in, and I'm like the first person that they see when they walk through the door, and so it's been really um rewarding to be able to share my experience with them because there are a lot of people coming in with mold-related illness, and it's not unfortunately not recognized in Western medicine. And so I'm able to talk about my experience at the school and talk about the testing that we can do at the clinic and get them the help that they need.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah. Well, that's that's that's thank you for the backstory. That's you're definitely in a in a healthier work environment now than you were.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

So we're happy for you. And I mean, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Um very interesting, though. Like you said, sometimes it's overlooked, and I think it's become there's a lot more awareness about moltoxicity now than there was, you know, five, ten years ago. And I think there's a lot of factors which we can get into a little bit. But um it's one of the things you said was you know, you did the test and it didn't come back as an allergy. So and some people just sometimes the the test, there's so many things that are happening in the body, and there's only so much data we can get for testing. And I think a lot of times we'll do a test or a series of tests, and we don't find uh you know what we're looking for, and then we assume everything's okay. But you know, it's sometimes that's just not how it works. It's just we find what we're looking for. But I think when I when I think about toxicity, I kind of look at it in like a three front three threefold approach. You have the levels of the toxicity present, the um basically immune activation against the toxics or the sensitivity or even allergy to the toxicity, and synergy between toxins. So it's like there's three, there's multiple things. One, you could have like super high levels of a mycotox or something else, and then another person could have the exact same level, but they might be affected way more or way less based on you know synergy between other toxic elements present, the body's ability to handle that toxic stuff, and just the immune reactivity to it. So it's like sometimes even if you have a low level of a mycotoxin or a toxic element, it can still be causing a lot of issues because you have that immune reaction. So sometimes it could be the opposite approach of you, or it's lower levels, but higher immune reaction. So I just like to point that out because sometimes the testing can be can be a little bit tricky, but people know it's probably one of the most annoying things going to swim doctors when they're like, oh, every you know, everything checked out in the test, you're fine. Go home. And it's like, you you know you're not fine, like that's why you're there.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

But exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Anyway, so what um tell us a little bit more about about the mycotoxin you found ocatoxinate. Do you have any anything else to share on it? Kind of what does it do? What are some of the symptoms people experience from it?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Yeah, so some of the symptoms I was saying, like when I was in the building, um, were specifically just the terrible brain fog that I've never experienced and the anxieties um that took over that was just uncontrollable. Um, but really also like the gut-related problems and the histamine intolerance really got super bad. Any food that I would eat that I normally would have eaten prior to working in this environment, I would have been completely fine and I would react to all these different types of foods. Um, so histamine is intolerance I really noticed as well. But then that brain-gut connection, I noticed as well. Like I was having bowel issues, constipation, I was having um just like I was saying, the the brain-gut connection with you know, I couldn't tell if I was hungry, I couldn't tell if I was full. Um, so from learning about it, it's like the pituitary access uh gut connection. Um, so a lot of those symptoms that I I you know was just trying to figure out. I've you know I've never had these before. Um, so those are a little bit the majority of them.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Yeah. And and so in terms of the symptoms you were experiencing, were you experienced experiencing them primarily when you were in the building, or were they continuing, persisting even when you went home after work?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Yeah, so they start. So I would like to say that they started um when I was at the school building and it was in a specific room that I was in. And I actually, the first few symptoms I had were severe headaches and um like burning in my eyes. And my eyes looked almost bloodshot red. And from looking up Oprah toxin A, that is a a huge sign of that mycotoxin is you know, a lot of sinus issues, um, red eyes burning sensations. And so those were my first symptoms, and as time went on, um, the symptoms progressed into other waves. So, like those other symptoms I was telling about, those progressed the longer I was in the buildings. And I mean, I was there for almost two years, so they just got continually worse. And so instead of it just being at school, I would come home and you know, my husband would notice like I'm not able to process information. He would talk with me and I couldn't really respond. And it was really challenging for me because I tried to explain to him like I just can't get the words out, and I can't um I can't ex express it. It would take me longer than a few minutes to process what he was telling me.

unknown 10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Yeah. So right, you got out of the environment. So basically, so how long I guess between the time you figured this out, was it that you were able to get out of this building?

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Um, so I got my testing back in December. And I it was I said I'm just gonna get through to winter break. I said I'm gonna see if I can get to winter break knowing that school is gonna be out of session. And I got my results back. So I started doing some research and just seeing what jobs are out there, and then I came across the holistic clinic and I did an interview over winter break and then um started the job in January. So it was pretty quick, quick turnaround.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Um so yeah, so when I left this the school and started my job here, um, unfortunately, I still um was experiencing those symptoms even after I got out of the environment. Um, so which brought me to my my detox next steps.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

So let's talk, we'll talk about kind of what you were doing and what was was helping you, but um, in terms of so why do you think even after you got out of the building, you were still still experiencing the symptoms? Was it was it to a lesser degree or the same degree? And you know, after you weren't exposed every day, why do you think you were still uh having the symptoms?

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yeah, so after once I started working at my new job, um, I still was experiencing some pretty bad fatigue and brain fog. Um a few things got better, but I would say the majority of my symptoms still were, I was still feeling them. Um, I know, like Dr. Jill Christ has said, the first thing you can do is get out, get out of the environment. But then the next step is what are you gonna do for starting your detox process? But I feel like my immune system was so suppressed and dysregulated, and I feel like that is what mold and mycotoxins are known for is suppressing your immune system so much is that you can't feel different things that so it's like I was starting to detox a little bit. Once I started this new job, I could feel things changing a little bit because my immune system was so suppressed. And so once I kind of started working here and figuring out what how I was feeling, um, I started talking to some of the practitioners here and getting getting some advice on what the next steps would look like because I feel like that you know buzzword in the mold mold department is detox. And I felt like a lot of other people, I felt pretty overwhelmed with trying to find a detox product. And so I tried, um, I was suggested charcoal, um, I was suggested um zeolite, but I tried it with a charcoal, you know, other products within it, the supplement or the binder. And so I tried a few of those things, and charcoal didn't work well for me. Um, it just felt like it depleted all my good minerals in my body, and I just didn't handle it well. And then I found that other another product, like I said, with the zeolite in it, but with the multiple, I would say, ingredients in it, it just that didn't work for me either. And again, made my symptoms feel worse, um, just causing gut issues and that sort of thing. Um, so I did that for a little while and I became a little bit more frustrated, and it's there's gotta be another answer. And so that's when I found your episode on the Line Bites podcast. And I was remember listening to your podcast and talking about zoo charge and uh just like how you're explaining this cage-like structure that when you take the zoo charge, um, you know, it's going in and getting the toxins, but it's using that cage-like structure and not ridding those good minerals in your body. And I was like, I I have to try this product.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Perfect. All right. So so and then when you tried it, so we just jump right into your experience. What um what did you notice? And yeah, tell us about your experience with it.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Yeah, so uh I once I ordered it, I did a little research on your website, and after listening to a few episodes of your podcast, um, you know, how you talk about the the dosage. And uh um with I started out about two scoops in the beginning, and I did that for about a week to two weeks, and I I feel like my symptoms got worse um because I feel like I had such a toxic load going on internally, and so I felt like my symptoms didn't improve. And so from there I actually went to four scoops, and I felt like my symptoms got a little better, but not I felt like from what you've said on the podcast, like when you're detoxing, they should come, you know, you should be detoxing as quiet as possible. And so I felt like my symptoms were still pretty escalated and just not I didn't feel like that was working. And so about a week to a week and a half on four scoops, I decided I would try five, and I've been on five five scoops for about two and a half months now, and that's been a really good dose for me.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, so once you okay, so two scoops you were feeling you know worse than without it. Four scoops you were feeling back to baseline or a little bit better than before you started.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

I would feel like a little bit better, but still having the majority of my symptoms. I feel like the biggest one, bit the biggest symptom that I've noticed is the gut. And actually, I was still like having problems with my constipation, and I knew that that wasn't that wasn't it didn't feel right.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Yeah. So when you went to five scoops, what what changed?

SPEAKER_01 16:38

When I went to five scoops, I noticed so many differences. I noticed that my bowel movements were way more regular. Um, I noticed the brain fog just it was starting to go away. Um my histamine issues got way better, and a lot of those symptoms just started to disappear. And so I consistently have been doing the five scoops.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Okay, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Awesome. So and then you've kind of stayed, so yeah, and that's that's an interesting point because I'm always curious on people's kind of um experience related to digestion with SEO charge because you know, a lot of times, like you're saying, it actually helped keep you regular, but then sometimes it can be constipating and it kind of depends. So do you think it was actually causing a little bit more constipation on the lower dose than when you weren't taking it, or it was just kind of you were just constipated anyway?

SPEAKER_01 17:31

I feel like I my immune system was probably like everything was so dysregulated that it could be a mixture of a few things. Maybe it wasn't just the zero charge, and I may have just been noticing that because I was taking that, you know, trying the scoops, you know, daily, um, and just started to notice the constipation, constipation more. Um, but I feel like it was more of a mixture of the with the toxins and just yeah, my system is so overloaded.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Yeah, for sure. It's and it that's what's interesting about the constipation aspect is that with other binders, and a lot of times it's just the the more you take, the more constipated you get, and they're inherently constipating and dehydrating with this low charge. A lot of times the more you take, the less constipating it is. Because it's not necessarily the power, generally, it's not the powder causing the constipation, it's a detox reaction. When you take, you know, too little, you might get a little bit of inflammation in the GI tract detox stress that causes constipation. Not all the time. Sometimes people take more and it's a little more constipating. And in that case, it might be because it actually is maybe dehydrating a little bit or it's just too much powder to process. I don't know. But yeah, usually it's about 75-80% of the time, it's actually a little bit more regulatory or over, you know, even laxative for some people. And that's definitely a welcomed um benefit for a lot of people that take it. And when you detox, you you want to be, you know, you want to be getting that stuff out. You don't want to be backed up. So no, that's awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yeah. My um next question was for you was like now that I've been on the five scoops for two and a half months, like what would be the next steps for me? Like, would I stay on five scoops for like longer? What when would be a good time to start decreasing?

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Yeah, it's it's hard to say. Um, you could if you do dec, whenever you decide tomorrow or in a month or whenever just down to four scoops, if you start experiencing the same symptoms you did before on four scoops, you know, you need to go back up to five scoops. Well, if you're okay on four scoops and you say, all right, let me stick on four scoops for a little while and then go down. Really, I mean, the kind of the art of the dosing is getting a dose that is enough, but it's not overly you know excessively expensive or or wasteful. Because if money isn't an issue, you can just take eight scoops or you know, it's because if you're not using it all, your body just kind of has unusual like it just wants to flush it out. But then you're spending you know way more on the product. So it's like it's finding that balance and then kind of like that, like the risk to reward ratio of all right, like for the next month or two, I'm just gonna take continue on the five scoops because it's working and I don't want to risk going down. But then if it's like you know, this this extra, you know, however many dollars a month for this big jar, like it's really stressing out. I'm gonna try to go down. So I think a lot of it does come down to financials with that. But it's kind of tricky. Another tricky thing with the dosing is there's kind of fluctuations in the amount of the feel like needed. I mean, sometimes there's like a weather cycle that comes in and it kind of stresses out your system, and then you need to take a little bit more teo charge or the full moon or some factor or you know, seasonal allergies or whatever it is. And it's so if if you're going through kind of a stressful event or a time or even like a stressful week or a couple of days, maybe bump it up just for that period. Um, yeah, that's always something to consider too. Because some people will will just stay on the second dose. They're feeling great and then they get symptoms all of a sudden, even on the second dose. This just happened yesterday. Uh it's been happening a lot lately kind of in the spring. People are more likely to experience reactions in the spring as well. Um, I think just because of the seasonal detox effect, the body's kind of going through spring cleaning, or have generally stronger detox reactions, plus potentially some external factors and weather patterns. I mean, multiple people have reached out that were taking you know six plus groups of decharge for over a year, are like incredible, just absolutely incredible on it. And then all of a sudden, in multiple cases, it was both the individual that reached out to me and their spouse, both on like on one at the same time, started experiencing all these symptoms. And they're just like, what's going on? So it's it's I mean, the deer charge hasn't changed. It's the external factor. And it's probably over the last few months. We're recording this uh mid May, but you know, since like March till now, like intermittently different people have reached out at different times from different locations. Or but then it passes and then they're fine again. So it's it's just I don't know. I don't I can't completely explain it, but it's just one of those things where there's so many factors to Consider with detox. It's one, we've got all the stuff that's you know leaving our body that's been stored there, all the heavy metals and the toxins, the mycotoxins, and everything else. And then you have, and that varies because the body will cycle and dump different things at different times. And then you have the external factors, which are also variable. So it's like there's so many variables when it comes to detox, it's kind of hard to pinpoint like what's causing symptoms at certain times or or how much to take. Because it's like because you have this kind of rotation, uh, you know, different levels of toxicity your body's dealing with every day, like maybe that that's why it's kind of hard to know. Like, so maybe one some days you need three scoops, some days you need five. And if you just do four scoops every day, some days you're gonna feel better, some days you're gonna feel worse. But if you did five scoops every day, maybe you feel okay every day.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

That's where it's like if you're kind of intermittently having the symptoms, maybe it's a good idea to just go up a little bit because just because you're not experiencing the symptoms doesn't mean it's not causing a little bit of internal stress and you're kind of on the tipping point.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Right. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Yeah, definitely. So more is more is a little bit little and usually what I usually tell people to go up two scoops at a time. So, like in your case, if I would have talked to you, I would have said after you went from two to four, I would have said go from four to six.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

And then work down. Because a lot of times going up to one is not quite enough. But I mean it worked for you. It does take some try, you know, experimentation.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Trial and error.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Yeah, it takes a little while to figure it out, and then and then after you figure it out, a lot of times you got to figure it out again because then you're gonna make it definitely.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

It's constantly in your body, it's constantly changing, right? Yeah, um, and then I did want to just mention that I know that you've talked about like how the toxins can be, you know, stuck in your tissues, and it's you know, your body can feel in that stressful, feel in a stressful state, and it's hard for those toxins to start releasing. Um, and so what I've noticed with being a myofascial release practitioner, I work with patients, um, and it's different than massage, um, but it's it's body work. And so I also get treatment done. And so you're working with the fascia of the body, which is the connective tissue. And so as I've gotten more treatments um throughout my like detox process, I've started to notice like as um, you know, like different with different techniques and what I'm experiencing internally, I'll start to feel those um same symptoms again, like burning of my eyes. And I can tell just through the techniques with the myofascial release that my body is trying to get rid of those toxins. And so it's just really it's a really interesting experience um to go through with different um treatment out there with the zoocharge, with the myofascial release, and then I also do biofeedback. Um, so different, different, you know, having a lot of things in your bucket to help support your body, I feel like is the best um best advice I can give to people.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

No, absolutely absolutely. And it's it's it's a lot of people, a lot of people hear, you know, we talk about the dosing and stuff, and then they assume, or maybe I misrepresent it that like you're never gonna get any detox reactions ever if you take enough C L A. Like it's just not the case. Yeah. And because and some people it it's I don't know, it's it's just misunderstanding. But it's interesting what you're saying with you know, doing like the the release, the manifesture release, and kind of mobilizing the toxicity because what's really interesting to me is just how the body works and how it stores and why it stores toxicity and how you can get the same or very similar symptoms as the toxins are leaving as when they came in. Yes. It it makes perfect sense because when you're exposed to it, your body's gonna act in a certain way and have this, you know, you're gonna feel the symptoms of it. Then your body says, store it, tuck it away, don't deal with it. But then when it's coming out, it's like it's almost like you were just exposed for the first time.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

It definitely felt like that too. Yeah. It definitely feels like the same, you know, feelings I was experiencing. Um, so it's just an interesting how the whole body is connected and how we store these toxins and how they can come out and you can feel the same way as they came in. So it's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

So, were you doing the myofascial release? Um, were you getting treatments prior to taking the zooturge and were you able to tolerate them?

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Or yeah, so I've been getting myofascial release treatment for a long time. And so when I was actually working in the school building, I was still getting um, I get treatment, you know, every so often, like every few weeks. Um, and I would notice that I was struggling to feel like the sensations in my body, like as the 10 techniques were done, I wasn't feeling those connections with my brain, my gut. Um, I couldn't feel things like I used to with my body, like my pain responses just weren't connecting with the with the signaling. And so as when I got out of the environment, I was still getting myofastroidase treatment. But I started to notice, um, like I said, those symptoms reoccurring, like um having a technique done on, let's say, like my hip, and I would start to feel burning sensations in my eyes, and that's was one of my first symptoms when I was in the school building. So it's almost like my my body is trying so hard to to rid of the mycotoxins.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Yeah. Okay, here's a question for you. Do you do you think that as you've um you know progressed in this journey and the de just the detox journey, as you experience those kind of detox symptoms, like with the burning and the release, are the symptoms getting a little bit less severe?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Way less severe. Yeah, yeah, way less severe. Um, ever since I feel like being on the zoo charge, and then I'm not feeling them as significant as I was.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's because I kind of I've had similar experiences just with because I usually will have like just big detox events where I just get super sick and just vomiting and diarrhea, you know, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

And like every year it's been much less severe. Because it was like, you know, when I first started, it was like 16 straight days of vomiting, diarrhea, lost like 30 pounds, was like could not even stand up. And then it's like, you know, the next year was, I don't know, like five days or something, and then three, then two, then one, and then like the last couple of years or seasons, it's like one vomit and I'm done. So it's like just the purging events, and they usually happen in the spring and fall, interestingly, as well. But it's just like they're getting less severe. So like there's just less toxicity coming out, or my body's able to handle the toxic dumps better. Um, so I do find that interesting as well. But it's just it's a process. I think that's something people understand with detox. It's it's not going to happen overnight. There's there's a lot of I mean, repair that needs to happen as well, but removing the toxic elements, letting the body do its job. The thing with mold toxicity, uh, it's such a strong immune stimulant. Just you know, it just takes up so much energy, and then it can really stress out the nervous system. It just puts the body in survival mode, and that can lead to an accumulation of a lot of other toxic elements because your body's focusing so much energy on the mycotoxins and it's so stressed out, it just locks down. And then you know, the toxic toxins you're getting from food, water, and air and whatever else are coming in, and they're just going straight to tissue. So generally, when people have mold toxicity, they end up with all this other like I like to call it the four-hour spectrum. The people like, especially with chronic mold toxicity, like mold, metal, magnetic fields, and microbes, like you end up with like magnetic field sensitivity, like cell phone sensitivity, you end up with like uh heavy metals, you end up with a lot of microbial issues as well, because it's they all kind of you know, once one thing starts going going wrong, then it's like a cascade.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

So it's it's kind of and and even I add a fit M to that sometimes, which is like mental, mental emotional. And it's in it, especially for people that are more like empathic in general, but just just right. So like you're like that type of person is more likely to experience detox reactions in general, I think. It's kind of interesting, but when you're experiencing the physical toxicity, it's accelerating kind of the emotional um sensitivity as well.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

I would completely agree. Yeah, I feel like what how you're explaining that is um like when my the anxiety and the mood changes that came on for me, it was um like I was so irritable. Um, I would just cry all the time because I just felt so trapped in my body and I couldn't explain it to people. I couldn't, it was so hard, especially when people are saying, Oh, you know, you know they're dismissing it. People dismiss it and they don't know anything about it. And they think, well, how could your school building be causing these problems? And so I think that is the most frustrating part because you feel like you're stuck and trapped in your own body and you can't figure out how to get out. Um, so definitely.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

And I I think I think another so with schools and unfortunately schools are becoming more and more of a toxic physical environment.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

And it's like, so what because I had a friend who was working um at a school and she left because they started putting all these cell phone towers on top of the school and on the property, because I think they get paid, like the schools get paid um to put these these towers there. But it's like that's not good to have cell phone towers on the school, like just radiating stuff and the children every day. So she ended up leaving because she didn't want to be exposed to it. But there's I think there's an interesting connection between the mold toxicity and the you know, cell phone radiation, uh just Wi-Fi and electromagnetic radiation.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Definitely, yeah. Because there's huge connection.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Yeah, or why don't you yeah, just talk a little bit about that? What have you found out with uh with that?

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Well, just from being in the this specific school building, um, because you know, in my past I've been in a lot of schools and a lot of them were older buildings. But when I think back to it, I'm like, wow, I probably live in so many older school buildings that had mold, but it my body might have just it once I got to this school building that my toxic load was just you know, it was so full that I think my immune system finally responded and in in these physical ways. And um, but yeah, it's it's just it's strange that um like at this school building that I was at, um, I started to notice like kids were sick all of the time. Um always kids were out all the time with illnesses, different respiratory issues, and also staff were struggling. And I started to notice that staff were getting cancer diagnoses, and it maybe lead to researching and learning more about mold and microtoxins, mold and micro toxins, and how it affects every main system in your body, and how that toxicity can lead into disease if it's not treated and if people don't know about it. Um, I think that was the hardest part is seeing that you know all this is going on around me, but nobody knows that it could be from them. Um that it's hard to watch, um you know, as kids are struggling in school, and I'm you know, I'm working with kids with doing occupational therapy, and I'm seeing kids with um who are autistic and have ADHD and have food sensitivities, and my mind now goes and it it's so much more than just you know yeah, I mean it's coming out in a more of a behavioral way um because kids some kids can't communicate what's going on in their body.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yeah. Yeah, it's and and what so what I the connection I see is that what what I think when I think about like mold has been around forever. Yeah, moldy homes and buildings have been around forever, and I don't think the mold problem is getting worse. I think the mold toxicity problem is getting worse. So it's like, why? And I think there's a lot of reasons. One, just there's kind of a tipping point, like a threshold of the body, and you know, just because of the other toxicity and stressors we're dealing with, our bodies just can't keep up, and then like there's a trigger. But then I think the other one of the aspects I think is the the EM, like the Wi-Fi and all those wireless signals that really haven't been around that long.

unknown 34:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Because I mean everything was wired till not that long ago. Now everything is wireless.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Right. And now it's like now I'm using my, you know, these wires again with headphones because of, yeah, like you said, it's the EMF and how that um affects your brain and for our kids to be able to think at school. Um, you know, everything is done on a tablet or um a Chromebook, and kids aren't really writing in school anymore, and they're not doing paper pencil tasks that I did when I was in school. And so you're like you said, you you're seeing this change um in our kids with the EMFs, all these toxic toxicities coming at them, and their body can't their body can't keep up with it.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

I th and I think there's a synergy because I mean the EMFs, like you just mentioned, the direct effect on the cell and on the body is not great, but I think the direct effect on the mold is what's causing a lot of issues because there's mold and there's mycotoxins. Mold is what is in the walls and on the walls and in the building. Mycotoxins are the waste product or you know, the the the release product of the mold, that's what's actually poisoning you and causing all the issues, right? So it's it's and and mold will release mycotoxins as a defense mechanism when it's stressed out. So if you see mold and you go and you're scrubbing it, like it's going to be releasing all sorts of mycotoxins, right?

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Definitely. But I mean, and how many you know, custodians and janitors they they want to put bleach on it and they want to put all these cleaning products on it, and it's actually making it you know so much worse.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

And it's stirring up the mycotoxins, but it's the point I'm trying to make is with the EMFs, the EMFs are stressing out the mold and causing a constant emission of the mycotoxins.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

So it's like you have the mold and you have the mycotoxins already present naturally, and then you have Wi-Fi and you know, 500 tablets or whatever in the building, plus maybe the cell phone towers, small towers or big towers on the property or building. And you're just aggravating the mold. And so you have probably thousands of times the levels of circulating mycotoxins in the air that would be there otherwise. So I think that's one of the main reasons why people are have one of the reasons people are experiencing more and more toxicity now is because the mold is releasing more mycotoxins, so it's affecting more people. And then the EMFs are also directly stressing out the body as well. But if you also think about like just the microbial issues, like very few, I feel like it's very tricky for some people to, for everyone to like get their gut fixed. And I think once again, a lot of that comes back to EMFs because if it's affecting the mold, then it's probably affecting the yeast and the bacteria and just all of the healthy and normal microbes in our system. And if it's stressing those out, they start releasing toxic waste products, and then that's an internal source of poisoning every day. So it's like I think the EMFs are a big part of it. And then you combine that with all the physical toxic elements and the mental emotional stressors and pressures and you know, inflation, financial stress and the the food that our kids are eating at school.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Um it all it all is there's so much.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

It's all there. So it's yeah, anyway. So I was just getting on the EMF thing because I'm like I'm I'm on um, I've got hardwired. I don't have Wi-Fi at my house. I've got this is uh hooked up to the I've got cords running around, so Ethernet connection. Um so yeah, we got rid of the Wi-Fi. But I I I noticed when I moved into this house, I I noticed like much better sleep immediately. Wow. Because before I was living, I had the kind of the biohacking center slash functional wellness clinic pre-COVID into you know a couple years after COVID. And I was actually living in there because I'm like, I'm paying thousands of dollars a month to lease this place. I'm like, I'm just gonna live in the back room. So but you know, it it's it was it was not a low EMF environment for sure. Um, but when I moved into this house, which is in the woods, and you know, like 35 minutes out of town in the woods, hardwired, everything else, just trees everywhere. Wow, immediately just noticed just that calming effect. And I've had like one of my friends, um, actually the same friend who left that job because of the cell phone tower at the high school, and she was kind of you know a little bit sensitive. And her power went out at her place, and she just felt like she's like I just felt such an incredible calm when the electricity went out. And it's just I think all of this yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

You can and for like for her, she could feel like when she was at the school, like that that cell phone tower tower, like you feel that radiation, um, those EMS, like like even getting a new phone, I can instantly feel the changes when I'm looking at you know my new phone. I can feel I can feel the EMS. Um, so people who are really sensitive to it, it's it's hard.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Yeah. I think you don't and you don't always know how much it's affecting you because your body just has to deal with it until it's like off, and then you're like, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

Exactly. You're like, wow, I can calm and my nervous system is regulating.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Yeah, so it's interesting. Anyway, we're very interesting. I've got I'm kind of into the EMFs. We're actually launching, I've been playing around with this in my hand this whole time. It's uh EMF structuring card. So I made this. It's uh we're it's probably gonna be released by the time this podcast comes out. We're gonna be releasing it probably in a week or two. But this is design, you put it on your cell phone, and just show you my cell phone's right here actually.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

So I've got these little sleeves, little like credit card kit, uh, credit card sleeves, and then you can just put it on there so it's on your phone. And I bought this is my new phone, it's a 2019 because it's not 5G enabled.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Um I love it.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

But you you put these, they're designed for you to put them on your Wi-Fi router, on your phone, on the source of radiation, and it basically structures the field or harmonizes it, makes it more coherent so it's more biologically compatible.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

Super interesting because blocking is one thing, you can't really block it. But we we we've been sending all of our new tech in for like thermography thermography images and stuff. And I just sent back the results for this. And we have them, so if anyone wants them, if they're not on the website by the time you hear this, just reach out to me. But um, yeah, it it almost completely mitigated the well, one, it shows that if you put the cell phone up to your head, it definitely like inflames your blame, brain like immediately. Um, but then when you have this on the phone, it was like eight at least 80% mitigation of that radiation damage.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Wow, that's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah, yeah. So super excited. I've been using I've been using some other brands, um, like little phone stickers for the last few years. So I've been like, oh, you know, they got a lot of research and all this stuff. I sent one of those in from the top company and it did not work at all. I was I was really surprised. So I had to take that off my phone. Yeah, it literally it actually made it worse.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

Yeah. Like it was really bad. So some it's yeah, it it it's not good. And there's a lot of thoughts, but like sometimes with some of the technologies, I think they there's like an expiration date as well, where it'll absorb some of the negative energy like from the phone and actually like start becoming detrimental and they need to be replaced. But the companies say they last forever and they just don't. The one I sent in from the main company was unopened in the package, so I don't know what was going on, but it did not work. So I was I was like, I was endorsing them too.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

So um it's very disappointing.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

Yeah, it's just frustrating. But anyway, that's why we're we're sending stuff in for testing to make sure stuff works before we start promoting it. But um yeah, we've got the EMF cards and we're coming out with all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

So is that will that be on your website?

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Yeah, it's either it most likely we're just trying to figure out um because every like like right, just just some like back end stuff we have to figure out because some of the new items are like bigger, like 50 pounds. So we have to figure out because we can't offer free shipping for those, so we got to figure out just like just like back end stuff, it's probably not that complicated. But um, worst case scenario or alternative scenario, we pop up a separate website with all of the new tech, because there's quite a few items, and then it's just linked to the main website. But yeah, it'll be available either from the main website or linked, and we've got some some pretty cool stuff EMF protection, water structuring, cell voltage raising, like nervous system calming technology.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 43:11

I've been working on that for the last like five, six months, and it's all uh it's all coming out.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

So that's more exciting.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

Yeah, all right. So we'll finish off with just a couple more things. What do you think? You mentioned um the um the myofascia release, the biofeedback, the zero charge. What else do you think is worth considering for people that are kind of going through the mold toxicity thing? Um, what has worked for you? What do you think is uh, yeah, what do you think is worth checking out?

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Yeah, um, I feel like those three are the main, you know, things that I'm doing right now. Um, I mean, I feel like I am on some different supplements too, like I'm on a probiotic and and a few supplements to help support my body during this detox time, um like liposomal, glutathione, um, and coconut. So some different supplements that are targeting um the mycotoxin in just my whole body um while I'm going through this as well. And um That's about it. I feel like I'm really trying to focus just on my spiritual journey. Um, you know, just with prayer and meditation and just helping calm my nervous system down and bring it back to that calm and alert state and not in that fight or flight. Um, so really just focusing on focusing on that.

unknown 44:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

That's amazing. That's fantastic. Yeah, the nervous system really, yeah, it it plays such a huge role. And it's it's just it's just think about it from a simple perspective. When the body is in survival mode, it's not going to be working in the same way as when it's not in survival mode. Yes. Like when the body is when your body is stuck in survival mode, like that is not natural. And the body is just not it's in survival mode. It's not focused on anything long term, and that's where the cells literally just go on lockdown. Yeah. The problem with lockdown mode for the cells is the nutrients can't come in and the toxins can't come out. So it's just like you're kind of just stuck. So yes.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

I'd say the other thing is red light therapy, it's really helpful too for people who are going through some mold.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Perfect. Yeah, love red light. We've got a number of uh we've got a few red light therapy products coming out as well. Um yeah, we've got the red light therapy face masks, we've uh got the full body, like red light therapy, these new like kind of call them sandwich bags. It's like a full body thing, like you you enclose yourself in it. That's cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. We're working on a couple of new designs as well. I'm working with the engineer to try to do like a double-sided, and people can let me know if they want this or not before I spend a bunch of money on it. But we're working on like a red light therapy mat on one side, and then if you flip it around, it's just pure shungite.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

So it would be like essentially like a grounding, like a natural healing, like grounding mat. And then you can flip it over and you turn it on and it's red light therapy.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

Oh, that's neat. So it's like a dual situation.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

The the engineer was like, Why would you want to do that? I'm like, because it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

You have grounding, grounding on one side, and then you get the benefits of red light therapy on the other. So why wouldn't you want to do that?

SPEAKER_00 46:15

It's like you can sleep on it. So I don't know. They're like, okay, we can do it, I think, but I don't know how much it's gonna cost because shunite's pretty expensive. But anyway, I was like, whatever. Like, I think people will buy it. Like, I don't know, I'd use it.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Oh, that's I would use it too, definitely. Those are those seem like all great products. I'm excited about lots of shungite.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

I mean, I've got all sorts like right here. I've got these little bowls of shungite.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Got little shungite. These are like noble shungite pendants, but these come from Corellia, Russia, uh, shunite. That's where like the main shungite mine is. So I've got I've got like tons of these little shungite uh rocks stuck in customs for the last like three months. So waiting for those to be released. I made these little custom bamboo bowls though, and they fit the shungite perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

So that's perfect.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Yeah, it's like a little bowl. Yeah, little cute thing, but I mean, I've got the um the mat, the zeal mat, which is like the main our signature item. And it's it's got I've got one two versions. One of them is stone with germanium and tourmaline, the other one is just pure shungite.

unknown 47:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Literally shunite, this new quantum resistance technology, PEMF, and phar infrared, all in one match wow, wow, yeah. So it's it's a pretty pretty good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

Super beneficial for a lot of people. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

I'm excited. That'd be awesome. Because the point of that is like to calm the nervous system and to raise the cellular voltage. And that's kind of the thing, because then it can get you off, like your body can just breathe. Yeah. So that's that's like where that came from. I'm sure I'll be talking about a ton of that on some of these future episodes as they stuff comes out.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

And it's and it's that internal calm that we're all want to feel again.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Yeah. Well, awesome. All right. So tell us a little bit about you know the clinic that you're working at. Like what are the services? If anyone is local or wants to come, like you know, tell us a little bit about what you got going on there.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Yeah, definitely. Um, so I work at the Healthy Place Holistic Clinic in Madison, Wisconsin, and we are a clinic focused on getting to the root cause of your symptoms. Um, so we have two uh functional medicine practitioners, both are a doctor of chiropractic and we also have a naturopathic doctor. Um, so you can come here and have services done where you meet with a practitioner and they dive deeper into your history and your symptoms and you know coming up with a treatment plan to figure out what's what's going on with your body. And we also have um advanced lab testing here. Um we also do have a PEMF mat, red light therapy, um, vibration plate, so some other therapies here as well. Um, so it's a great clinic that just opened in January. So we're just getting off the ground and um you know learning as we go and figuring out what you know the community is looking for.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

Yeah. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah, you were there from the beginning, then. So that's I guess then I'm excited for you. It sounds like that'd be more my my um more my cup of tea opposed to working in the school.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

So yes, it does. I'm breathing in great air every day.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

Yes, breathing in great air. Yeah, that's awesome. Working with good people. So well, this was awesome. I um anything else that you want to mention, shout-out, advice, or anywhere for people to follow you or closing thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Um, closing thoughts would just be um, you know, with the mold-related symptoms, it's it's just that people know that they're not alone and that there is help out there, there's testing, there's you know, there's zero charge. Um, so just know that there's always a light at the end of the tunnel. And yeah, so that would be those would be my closing thoughts. Um, you can find me on Instagram at Pandona Lee. Um, so I will be on Instagram, and then you can um look at for our clinic, the Healthy Place Holistic Clinic in Madison, Wisconsin. You can find us on Instagram, on Google, Facebook.

SPEAKER_00 50:08

Awesome. All right, well thank you, Hannah. This was a lot of fun. I appreciate the time.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Yeah, thank you, Jack.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

All right, let me figure out how to shut this thing off. That's not it. They moved it. They moved the uh the shutoff thing, and there we go. Stop.