SPEAKER_01 0:14

My name is Alexis, and I'm the brand manager here for Zeolite Labs. And today on this episode, we wanted to do something different where rather than interviewing practitioners or consumers of Zocharge, we wanted to actually speak about the new products that we have coming on and kind of do an AMA with Jeff to dive into all the new launches and answer a lot of questions that we've already seen consumers have. Jeff, do you have anything to add of what to expect in the episode or any bits to touch on?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

No, I think it's going to be good. You're kind of going to lead this train, but it's essentially why there's a lot of new stuff coming out. People are going to say, you know, what's going on here for the first, you know, up until now, it's been basically one product, Zeo Charge. Now it's like there's all this other stuff coming on the site. So basically just why is this happening and what's coming out and what can people expect?

SPEAKER_01 1:01

So that was the first question I wanted to dive into because Zeolite Labs has mainly been right focused on Zeocharge and then some other detox supplements. And now the product lines that are coming out are all non-supplement based, almost things that people can either have in their routines or homes to support their journeys further. So is there something in particular that made you want to expand past just supplements and into kind of more of a lifestyle brand with Zeolite Labs?

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, I mean, just my personality type and by nature, I'm I'm into, you know, I'm just an innovator. I'm always looking for something new. And interestingly, the reason that I named the company Zeolite Labs is so I could focus on Zeolite, because I knew that my natural temptation would be just to come out with, you know, 30 or 40 products all at once. Because that's what I've done in the past. I always did a little bit of everything with my first supplement brand. I had tons of products. And then I had the biohacking center recharge clinic, and I had all the technology I could get my hands on. And it was just so much stuff. And when there's so much stuff, it's a little bit overwhelming for people because they don't know what is going on. Like there's just too many options. So, like with the biohacking center, people would come in, it'd be like a 45-minute tour. We'd go through all this stuff and everyone's like, this is fantastic, but then no one would know where to start because it's like there's too much stuff. So with Zoolite Labs, I'm like, all right, let's keep something simple. Let's find, you know, the best product that I can, you know, on the market that I'm that I'm utilizing. Let's focus on that, provide education, go from there. And that's what we've done so far. But now it's like, all right, now I think it's time because a lot of people are reaching out saying, you know, what are you doing in your everyday life? Like what else is there? Because like Zeolite is fantastic, Zo charge, but it's one product. It's not like, it's not necessarily the entire protocol or someone's program. So a lot of people were just asking me, like, we need more stuff here, like what is out there? So basically what I wanted to do is make available the things that I'm utilizing on a daily basis for other people, right? Because I do a lot more than just the Zo charge. I'm still into a lot of the wellness technology and a few other supplements. So I said, all right, I'm just going to try to make available all of the stuff I'm doing. And I'm going to in some in some way make it better for people or make it more accessible to them. So that's that's pretty much what it is. It's basically my personal lifestyle and supplement line, like what I'm doing. And I just wanted to make that available for other people. So that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

So a more comprehensive protocol rather than just one supplement that people can add in.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Yeah. So like for me, it's you know, there's the supplementation aspect, and then there's there's technology that can just various purposes. So I'm into like EMF protection is something I'm really into. So I personally don't even have Wi-Fi at my house. I'm like right now, I'm hardwired into you know, hardwired connection. I'm really into you know EMF protection and those. So I wanted to implement that and then various things to kind of support cell health and mitochondrial function, kind of charge the cells, and then water structuring, just all the all the things that just enhance health that I do. Some of things are like little things, some things are bigger things, but they just all add together to enhance their wellness routine.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Okay. All right. Well, getting into the technology, let's first speak about the new products coming out that um clients have already been loving, but I know that are your favorite. So that's the ZO Matte and the Zo Wrap. So can you kind of walk us through the technology that sets these products apart from those on the market and just the therapies that each offer?

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Yes. So yeah, these are definitely the signature items. So this, and this was like the main reason I even wanted to start this whole line was based on these two products. And then everything else were, you know, the basically add-ons, but these are the really the foundations. And essentially, they're based off of another piece of technology that I've been using uh myself and in my office and then personally as well. And it's this it's this quantum energy wellness bed. So it's this large bed you lay on it, and it's getting this quantum energy field. It was just the best piece of wellness technology that I'd ever come across, better than all the stuff that I had in the biohacking center. And it's just, it was just so unique. People were getting such incredible results just from eyesight. I mean, multiple people had to change their eyeglass prescription because their eyesight was improving so much. Just all sorts of crazy stuff. Just the ability for this thing to calm down the nervous system, to enhance sleep, just the effects people were feeling from it was incredible. So I said, I need to make this available to people because the problem was this is really just more of a clinical device. So it's, you know, it's $30,000. It's not many people are going to be putting that in their home. So my goal was, all right, how do we make this? And you know, it's expensive. People are coming in for sessions, you know, $100, $120 a session. Like it's pretty pricey. And it's just not really doable. It'd be better if someone could do that five times a week or every single day. So my goal, this was last summer, I said, all right, I want to make something that is 90% as effective and 90% cheaper. Because I'm like, you know, if it's going to be 90% cheaper, I wasn't sure if it was going to work 100% as well. Just, you know, but that was the trade-off. That was my goal initially. And I'll talk about in kind of the results we're seeing up to this point. But essentially 90% cheaper, wanted to work 90% as well. And that's basically what the Zomat is, is it has this quantum resonance technology. And then it also has far infrared. It also has PEMF and natural grounding stone. So basically it takes that quantum technology from this $30,000 bed, but then I enhanced it with some additional therapies as well. So it's pretty nifty. And so far, I will say that everyone that has tried both likes the Zomat at least as well. And most people like it even better. So I was very pleased with the feedback.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

And those on the market.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Then there's only the one on the market, which is the $30,000 bed. So that's the only option for this quantum technology. Because with this quantum technology, what's a newer technology, and quantum, I'll just I'll just have to briefly mention this because quantum is kind of a term that could mean anything, right? It's just it's like an undefinable energy field. So a lot of things are marketed as quantum energy devices, but they're just there, it's that's not what we're talking about here. So this is like an advanced quantum technology. The technically, like a natural stone could be considered emitting quantum energy, or the sun emits quantum energy, the earth emits quantum energy. There's different levels to quantum energy, just like there's different levels to all these other things. So there's actually technology that will generate this quantum energy field. That's what's in the Zeomat and the ZORAP. It's not just from the natural stones that are naturally emitting like a quantum field. So that's where a lot of companies are like, oh, it's this is quantum, that's quantum. It's like, well, to some extent, but this is actually like a new quantum technology that's emitting this field. So that's that's what's going on with the Zeomat and the Zop. And the quantum technology essentially is it's a very calming field on the ball body. So it's it's for cell health. So really what it's doing is providing cellular energy. And then with that energy, the cells are able just to work better. Because that stimulates mitochondrial function. The cells open up, so it raises the voltage in the cell. And the problem with low cellular voltage or low cellular energy is that the cells basically go on lockdown mode because they're in survival mode. And when they're on lockdown mode, like the highway is closed. So basically, nutrients are not coming in efficiently, and toxins are not leaving as well because it's in survival mode. So when you can raise the cellular energy, the cell opens up. Now the nutrients are coming in and the toxins are leaving. So it's actually quite incredible for detox as well, but it's really just cellular energy and then nervous system balance. And that's the number one thing people are finding so far is that it just has an incredibly calming effect on the nervous system. And the number one thing people are talking about is just sleep. A number of people already have noticed that they've just been sleeping better than they ever have before. I mean, multiple people hadn't slept through the night in years. And then after one session on the mat, they slept through the night. Multiple people, right? So pretty incredible. Um, yeah, just just because it has such a calming effect.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Because when I was saying on the market, like with PEMF maths, I think that's something really popular right now in the wellness space. Would you say like the biggest differentiator between Zeolites offering and those on the market would be both the Shungi stone and the quantum technology that's embedded in it?

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Yeah. So the the Zoomat is it's it's primarily a quantum, it's the quantum resonance technology is the primary feature. And then it just additionally, as a bonus, has the PEMF and has the far infrared and has the Shungi stones. So those are additional features, but the main feature or benefits and features, but the main thing is the quantum. So the other, the other, there's no other device on the market that combines the quantum with PEMF or any of this other stuff. It's just PEMF mats or it's just infrared mats or a combo infrared and PEMF mats. But besides this $30,000 bed, there's nothing else that has this quantum technology yet.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

And then um the ZO wrap, that's more so like a portable version of this technology, you would say, than like the map. That's more so for like a household or just to be stationary.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Yeah, so same technology. So they both have the quantum resistance technology, which is the primary. They both have the PEMF feature, the infrared, and then the Shungite stones. It's just the only size difference is the size. So the mat is a full body mat. You lay on it, and then the wrap, you can wrap it around your stomach, which is the primary application, but you can wrap it anywhere on your body, or just you can even lay on it or lay it straight over your front or backside. So just you want to get exposed to the um to the therapy. But yeah, generally it's wrapped around the stomach. That's going to be the primary use for it. Um, and what people are noticing with that is it's the same thing. So it's still cell health. So and we're calling the zeomat the cellular rejuvenation station. So right, it's like it's just rejuvenating the cells. But when your cells are healthier, things just work better. So just calming the inflammatory response, raising the energy in the body, calming the nervous system, um, just just helping with a lot of different things. But then with when you when that is over the gut, some people are noticing like gurgling, like a few people are noticing like just right when they start the session, or 15 minutes in, there's like a gurgling and they're like passing gas. Some people have to go to the bathroom after. So it's it's move it's shifting things around in an interesting way in the GI tract, which is interesting. So I do think it it's going to be fairly significant for like gut repair as well, or as part of a gut repair protocol. So it's kind of unknown because this is new technology, and you know, this there's only been you know a number of people that have been using this kind of pre-launch trialing it. But uh we'll and as people start utilizing this, definitely reach out um with feedback and let us know kind of what you're seeing with both the wrap and the mat. We're definitely interested in that. But uh, but yeah, so far, so far so good with both the mat and the wrap. The reason there's shungite in it is because shungite is a naturally uh occurring stone, the primary shungite minus in Karelia, Russia, but shungite is used for balance and grounding, and it has a lot of therapeutic properties. So you probably know people, or maybe yourself, you know, a lot of people have these shungite pendants, they have shungite uh bracelets, they put little shungite things on their phone for EMF mitigation. There's a lot of different shungite products out there that are just very balancing, very good for kind of EMF harmonization and all sorts of stuff. And it's one of my favorite stones, so that's why I wanted, you know, just I figured what are we going to put in here to add to the benefit? And I'm like, shungite is the natural answer. So it's just tons, there's just thousands and thousands of these little shungite pebbles all throughout the mat. Just laying on that alone would have some benefit because of the natural grounding effect. But that's just, you know, that's like the fourth level feature of it. And then the quantum is the number one thing, this energy field coming out. And then the far infrared, so there's far infrared coils all throughout the mat. And these are the same far infrared wavelengths that that are coming out of a far infrared sauna. So the main benefit, the benefit of a traditional sauna is just heat and then sweating through heat for detox. But a far infrared sauna, the main benefit is actually the light or the heat wavelength of far infrared and not the heat, because that wavelength is penetrating into the body and helping uh with cell health. It gets absorbed by water. So that's why it's more uh it helps with purifying the blood and various things opposed to other forms of light or just heat alone. So it's the same wavelengths that are in a sauna, except you don't have the complete enclosure. So you're not going to sweat as much, but it does, you know, you can adjust the temperature to make it hotter or less, but it's not designed to be pouring sweat onto it. But you can actually get stronger far infrared benefits than in a sauna because you can stay on it longer, because you have to, you can't stay in a sauna that long because you get too hot and it heats up your head and it's like you have to go out. But in this mat, you can stay on longer and you can continuously get these far infrared rays. So you can actually get a longer, more therapeutic far infrared session than even in the sauna. So basically, you're combining a lot of the benefits of the sauna minus the sweating, you're getting the quantum resistance technology, which is the main thing. You're getting shungite, actual grounding, and then PEMF is the last feature we added in, just because I've used a lot of PEMF in the past, and a lot of people do get really good results with it. So PEMF is generally used. It's also for cell health, charging up the cells. Um, it can help with the nervous system balance as well, a lot of different things. So this is a low intensity, low frequency PEMF, more similar to the natural frequencies. So there's different classifications of PEMF. So I've used from low to medium to high intensity. So like I've got high intensity PEMF uh coils as well that are not in this map, but I have them in my office. They're very powerful to the point where if you put your, if you lay this coil on your stomach and then or your lap and then you put a laptop over it, it'll just shut off the laptop because it's just a powerful magnet. So that's not what we're talking about because that's it's it's powerful, but it's a less natural magnetic field, and it's not something that necessarily should be used every day or long term. Whereas low intensity, low frequency PEMF are very natural and they can be used on a regular basis every day, and they're just they're very safe. So essentially it's a substitute for grounding. A lot of this stuff we wouldn't need or we would need less of if we were living, you know, 100 years ago or more natural lives where we're outside in nature hours a day, barefoot, grounding, getting the Earth's natural frequency. But since we're not, we can utilize some of this technology kind of as like a nature substitute. So I know some companies will market, you know, like this these low intensity PEMF frequencies, doing you know, 10 to 20 minutes on it is equivalent to about a two-hour grounding session. So that's what a lot of the claims are out there. But there's different settings on the PEMF as well. So I programmed five PEMF settings. Program one is 7.83, and that is that's Hertz, 7.83 Hertz, that's the Schumann residence. So that's the natural uh frequency that the Earth is emitting. It's called the Schumann resonance. So that is basically setting one. So if you just want that, it's just mimicking like that natural residence from nature. And then setting two is a sweep. So you get you get five different frequencies, four minutes each, and it just changes them automatically throughout your session. Then setting three and four are different, you know, more programs, and there's a little card that comes with each mat so you can see what these programs are. And then there's a sleep setting as well, where it's a low frequency, it goes from seven hertz to six to five to four to three, and it just goes down each way, and it helps kind of calm down your mind and your body before you go to bed. So those are the PEMF settings. Um, with this, with both the mat and the wrap, you don't have to use the PEMF, right? So when you turn the controller on, you're you're now just getting the quantum resistance technology, but you're not yet getting the heat, the the far infrared heat or the PEMF. When you adjust the controller, the heat temperature, now you're getting the far infrared heat. And then you can turn the PEMF on separately. So you can just do quantum resistance technology if you want with no heat, no PEMF, or you can do QRT with heat, or you can do QRT with heat and PEMF. Right. So if you're not comfortable with PEMF for whatever reason or you want to kind of try them out separately with the controller, you can just you can just do QRT or you can add on the other two as well. And for session length, so the PEMF is always a 20-minute session, and then that'll shut off because you don't need more than that. But we recommend generally 45 to 60 minutes is going to be ideal for both the mat and the wrap. And people are gonna experiment with little longer sessions if they want. I think our instruction card says 20 to 60 or 30 to 60 minutes, but generally 45 to 60 is kind of gonna be the sweet spot. Um, and then the mat does have a nine-hour timer on it. And I put that in there just because if people do want to try to sleep on it and use it overnight, that's an option. So you just want to would put it on you would want to put it on a low heat setting, or you can set the heat timer for four hours and then, or oh, one hour, and then it'll shut off and you'll just get the quantum for the rest of the night. So there's there's a lot of options with it, and it's kind of unknown. You know, some people are not gonna need that much, but it's one of those things maybe people want to sleep on it, and that's an option with uh with the mat because it has a nine-hour timer. The wrap only has a 60-minute timer.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Well, that's all really good information for anyone who wants to get started with them. I was gonna ask a little bit more because I know people are already having great experiences with it, like customer stories, but it seems like sleep, gut repair, um maybe just a greater state of ease. It's what people are experiencing primarily.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

It's yeah, it's it's interesting because first I was amazed with the bed, right? This quantum energy wellness bed, because I'm like, what is going on here? Because a lot of these people that were using it were had already done, you know, all sorts of oxygen therapies, hyperbaric and other oxygens. They've done PEMF, they did all this other stuff. Then they go on this bed and it's like totally different. Like they wake up and they're like, what just happened to me? Just like pain reduction, everything else. But we're getting the same things with the mat, right? So, and there's there's a group, um, there, there's about there's quite a few people that have been using this pre-launch, and and most of them have been noticing something, which is quite surprising because generally with PEMF and most therapies, you just don't even, you don't notice anything. It doesn't mean it's not helping, but it's more of a subtle cellular voltage. It takes longer to notice. But a lot of people are noticing something right away, and that's primarily just like a calming scent, like something with the nervous system and just just feeling better the next day, whether it's better sleep or whatever. A lot of people are noticing pain reduction as well. So just stubborn pain, whatever is going on, and just calming that as well. It just depends. Everyone's gonna respond a little bit differently. And if you don't feel anything on it, it doesn't mean it's not working. It's just one of those things that sometimes you just need the voltage to be raised and it's just it's just gonna be better. But I what the one of the reasons I'm interested in it is from a detox perspective because you have zero charge, which is binding, right? It's just unclogging this toxic machine, you know, the toxicity, kind of getting the everything going in the body. But then this is directly basically stimulating the cell, the cells to open up so that they can start receiving the nutrition better and releasing the toxicity. So some people are actually experiencing detox reactions when they go, when they use the mat. So most people feel better, but some people are experiencing reactions, and what's happening there is it's it's providing enough cellular energy to the point that the cells open up, they start dumping toxicity, and then now you've got basically you know back to the three levels of detox. You you've just taken stored toxicity or cellular toxicity, you've dumped it into the processing center. Now the body has to clear it. So it is possible to get detox reactions from it, and that's why the zoo charge is going to be such a great combination because you you could use the zeo charge after the session of the zeal mat to help clean up any of that you know cellular debris that was released from the session.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah. That's awesome. I didn't know that. I thought you could just kind of that it all goes in tandem.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Yeah, yeah. So it's just a different type because we're binding is what we do at Zeolite Labs, Zeocharge, and it's just just a more it's still not the pulling, it's not like a you know, it's not the stuff that I'm not a huge fan of, but it's just providing cellular energy. But I'm just that the body can be able to get detox reactions on these types of therapies. Yeah, it's and especially the people that their nervous system is just so on such uh it's just on overdrive to the point where their body just has been in survival mode for so long that their body will not detox. And then when they go on something like this, sometimes it calms them down so much, so quickly, that their body starts detoxing. So it's similar to, I don't know if you've experienced this, Alexis, but a lot of people go on vacation and then they get sick.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

I've never experienced that, but I hear about things. I think GI side effects are something that's very common. I've never experienced any reaction in regards to my location with traveling, but I know it's something that's very common.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

And and then there's different reasons, it's different environments, it's kind of stressful. But one of the reasons is that if like it's the same reason why people get sick after, you know, studying two months for an exam, like college students, and they get sick after because their body was in this heightened state, kind of gotten in survival mode on overdrive, their body's holding everything in. And then after that event is over, whether you go on vacation and you just calm down or the test is over and you just relax, then the body says, okay, now we gotta have to play catch up on detox, and it starts releasing toxicity from the last two months that were stored. So some people, their nervous system is so stressed out that they're just holding on to the toxicity. And then when their cells open up, they just release that toxicity when their cells calm down and they leave survival mode. So some people get stuck in this survival mode for months or years, and the longer you've been in survival mode, the Mote, the more toxicity is stored in tissue. So when you get that calming effect, generally the sicker someone becomes. So it is kind of interesting. But anything that can calm the nervous system can be a very, very potent tool because there's so many things that are causing overstimulation of the nervous system these days, just modern stressors. And then we have the EMF toxicity, mold toxicity, all these things. So anything that can help calm down that storm can help the body detox a little bit better because it takes it out of survival mode, at least temporarily.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

I've seen that a lot with adrenal. It'll get you through whatever time it needs to get you through. And then whether it be a sporting event that's wild or anything in work after that time kind of ceases, then it's just kind of like what was actually going on biologically during that time kind of shows, but it will get you through basically the difficult and strenuous period.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it just goes back to, you know, the body. The body is amazing. It's designed, it's it's focused, you know, it's focused on the short term. I would say it's focused on short term survival over long-term thrival. And it's not designed to be stuck in survival mode for too long because then it just, it's just, it's just not good. But that's generally what most people are are in, is just stuck in survival mode. And we just get this buildup of toxicity. So that's where, you know, Zeo Charge, of course, is helping reduce this toxic load. But this is just an extra step to provide that extra cellular energy to kind of get things going even more.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

All right. Well, I know those are our flagship products and the ones that are the most popular right now. Um, are there anything, is there anything else that you would like to circle on with these products?

SPEAKER_00 23:50

So ideally they're used together. What I do is I have the mat, I lay on the mat, and then I have the wrap and I lay it over my stomach at the same time. So I kind of get a sandwich effect. So there's a little bit of additional benefit when you sandwich frequencies together. But that's what I do. The mat, if if you if space is a concern, and it's not it's not that huge, and it like the it weighs about 38 pounds, so keep that in mind. The wrap is much smaller. So it if you have room for both, and both is ideal, having the mat and the wrap, but um each can be used individually as well.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Okay. All right. Well, let's go on to um one of our other technologies right now. So the EMF structuring card. Yes. Um can you speak just a little bit about why you wanted to develop this? You kind of went into it a little bit at the beginning, but then how it also differentiates from those on the market. Because I think that's one of the more saturated fields when we look at like all the technology we're rolling out.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Absolutely. So yeah, I I've been into kind of EMF mitigation protection for quite a while. And because I do think that, you know, just with this, with with with there's just so many frequencies coming at us that some are good, some are bad. So it's kind of like P EMF is a pulsed electric electromagnetic field that our cells respond well to. And then the Earth's natural resonance, we respond well to. But then there's all these frequencies or signals that our body does not like. And these are things like Wi-Fi signals, cell phone radiation, some of these other things, right? So when we're constantly exposed to those negative frequencies, it just is stressing out our body and can potentially be causing a lot of issues and also a lot of GI issues, I think, because it has a negative impact on the microbes in our bodies and in the environment as well. So I think, and just quickly on that, because I think it's very interesting, I do think that there's a huge connection between EMFs and mold toxicity, because the main problem with mold sensitivity is not the mold itself, it's the mold toxins or mycotoxins that are being released that are stimulating the immune response. And when mold gets stressed out, it releases toxins. And EMFs are one thing that are stressing out the mold. So there's not necessarily more mold in the environment right now, but there's more mycotoxins because there's more EMFs stressing out the mold. So we have more mycotoxin exposure anyway. So I think that also plays a role in our bodies where the EMFs are stressing out a lot of the microbes, naturally occurring, you know, yeast and uh, you know, bacteria and various things in our gut. And it's causing them to potentially transform into less ideal forms or to release some waste products that are causing, you know, inflammation and causing symptoms. So I do think EMFs can play a pretty big role in people's health. And I mean, people most people know that if you live right next to a cell phone tower or something, it's probably not good, right? It increased rates of you know, all sorts of things you don't you don't want. But anyway, so I was I've been experimenting with a lot of different EMF mitigation and uh kind of protection strategies. You've got, I mean, well, for one, like I live in a forest, so that that's pretty good. That's you know, one of the best things you could do, hardwired internet, all of that, but that's not going to be accessible to most people. And even me, you know, I leave every day. I'm still in town, I'm still exposed to everything. So I was utilizing some of the other products on the market that were, you know, these harmonizers, and they're designed to, you know, you put them on your Wi-Fi router, you put them on your cell phone, and they're supposed to kind of harmonize the field. And I said, okay, this is great, but the ones I were using were pretty expensive. And um I was like, all right, I want to make one that's a little bit more accessible and uh we'll see how it goes. So I made, and no one probably people can't see this, but this is the EMF structuring card that I made. So it's credit card sized, so it can be put um in like a little credit card holder, whatever. But this is designed to be put on the source of radiation, so primarily your cell phone. So you put this on the back of your cell phone or in a you know credit card sleeve attached to your phone, and it basically it doesn't block, this is the most important thing. It does not block the field because if you block the field, the phone will not work. And the blocking technology generally is very limited because you have to have a complete block. Like you would, like you would, you would have to put your your phone in a shoebox covered with aluminum foil, and it would block all frequencies from coming in or out, but then you can't use the phone. So these other products in the market are designed to, they call it harmonize, and they use various technologies like resonator chips and things. And essentially you put these these things on your phone, whether this is a sticker or whatever, a case, and it changes the way that the field is emitted. It doesn't block it, but it makes it more coherent or basically more biologically friendly. So, so just like in nature, when you have a a Wi-Fi or a cell phone signal that goes through the forest, the natural, the fractal patterns and things in nature from the trees will actually change the structure of the field and make it more biologically friendly to your body. It doesn't mean it's good for you, but it's less harmful essentially. So that's basically what the technology does is with the EMF cards, you put it on your phone, it doesn't block the frequency. So the phone still works, but it makes it less harmful on the body. It's essentially like a neutralizing field. So we send it in for testing, the uh thermography testing, and the results were actually very good. So a couple people did this, a male and a female, and they they put their cell phones up to their head just with no protection, and it showed that there was a lot of excess heat that was um just a huge heat signature that occurred in the brain after the phone was up to their head on a 20-minute phone call, which just shows that you know the radiation, the cell phone radiation does basically cause brain inflammation. Um and then they did another phone call after their brains went to baseline. They did another phone call, but they put the EMF structuring card on their phone and it was it was on it was on the back side of the phone. So the card was not in between their head and the phone, it was just attached to the phone in the back side, but then they did another thermograp uh thermography image and it showed a greatly reduced um heat signature from the non-protected call. So it just shows that it's it's reducing the the radiation-induced induced inflammation in the brain from the cell phone. So pretty interesting. It's it's it's it's got a number of technologies in it. It's got the resonator chip, it's got um basically a bunch of minerals that are combined to that naturally generate an energy field. And this energy field helps counteract the toxic energy field. So it's it's actually quite interesting. It's it's quite simple, but it's quite interesting. It's I don't know about a lot of the products on the market because I know most of them don't work at all. So I'll say that. But some of them probably work, some of them work better than others, it just depends. I did send in the top competitor, because the one that I was using, and I'd spent you know thousands of dollars on this company for all their EMF protection. I thought it was great. I sent that one in for testing to the same place that I sent the thermography uh my my card in for thermography testing, and it showed that it did not work at all. So I was I was actually very surprised because I thought it was going to work because that's what was on my phone. Um that showed that it didn't work. So I'm a little bit um, yeah, it's hard to know some of the stuff out there that works. But if someone has access to thermography or some sort of testing, I would say just test the one you're using or, you know, get the EMF card, test it, make sure it's working. Right. So that's that's kind of what we did. But I feel I feel good about it. A lot of people are feeling really good about it. You know, people that are muscle testing it say it works great. You know, we we also did um some, we've got a bio well, which is a biofilled reader, and that's showing some improvements as well when you have the card on you. So it's primarily designed to be put on the source of radiation, so on your cell phone primarily. You can also put it on your on your Wi-Fi router or any other source of um you know wireless signal. And and you know, first I'll say this is not an excuse to you know abuse EMFs and it's not, I'm not gonna pretend like this is 100% protection and it's gonna protect you against 100% of 5G, all this other stuff. I don't trust any of those claims any of these companies make. It's always best to practice, you know, safe EMF practices, but you know, it's something that should help to some extent mitigate some of the effects. So that's kind of what it's designed for. Um, it can also be held in your pocket or on your body. So I always keep one of these in my pocket as well. And that's just to support biofuel balance, basically. So it's that's not really what it's designed for, but some people think that that's helping quite a bit too. But primarily it's designed to put on on the phone. But when we use the Biowell biofuel detector, it is showing some improvements when it's on the body as well.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

Okay. I think we both had the same brand of EMF protection before you rolled um this card out, which was funny to see the thermal imaging of that brand. I know you can't speak for the other brands on the market, but my experience, all of them kind of market for the more blocking effect of their products. And you are saying that yours does not block it. Rather, it makes it more harmonious for the body.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Correct. And theirs don't block it either. If they if they did block it, if they did block it, then it wouldn't work. And that's so I've already gotten quite a bit of feedback on this where people have bought the EMF card and said, Why haven't I a reader, a detector for frequencies, like EMF frequencies, and it's not reducing the the frequencies. And I'm like, well, that it's not designed to. So if you have one of those readers, like if you put one of those readers up to any any field, it's not gonna change. It's it's it's not it's those detectors cannot tell if it's a harmful or a beneficial field. So one of the ways to to know if like a P EMF mat is working is you put one of those uh readers up to it, and the reading will go crazy because it's emitting a strong propulsed electromagnetic field. It doesn't mean it's a harmful field, it just means there's a field being emitted. So same with the cell phone, it's not going to change the field reading on one of these EMF testers. It's just less dangerous, but it can't be detected by the it can't be detected by the reader. But yeah, it's not blocking, not blocking. Blocking is okay. There's there's applications for blocking, like if you want to make a Faraday cage room with, you know, carbon-based black paint and completely enclose yourself in, that's all fine. It's just completely different. But uh going out in the real world world, like using cell phones and stuff, then the harmonizing is generally the technology that's available. And then just some of the things are gonna work better than others out there. Like the like if you're if you have like a four dollar sticker or something from Amazon, that's that's probably not gonna work.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Yeah. That's good rationale there. All right. Um, so kind of shifting from technology back into supplements. Um, you know, Zocharge has been the main supplement, fulvic, um, other detox supplements, but now you just launch alloferrin and a dairy-free lactoferrin. So kind of different than those on the market and also more niche supplements, I think, for people looking for immune health, gut support. Can you just first explain what lactoferin is to start and maybe why someone would want to incorporate it into a healing protocol or just daily maintenance routine, and then why you decided to do dairy-free options in an aloe-based version?

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Yeah, absolutely. So lactoferrin is, and I'll say I was selling a lactoferrin product about nine years ago. I manufactured a lactoferrin-based product, but they were all from cow's milk. And I'll get into the difference later. But um I've moved kind of away from those, you know, cow-derived products for a number of reasons. But yeah, it's lactoferrin is a naturally occurring protein in the body. So it's an iron-binding glycoprotein, and it's essentially designed to bind to and transport iron. So it's found in the body all over. It's found in very, very high levels in like breast milk, and essentially it's transporting iron. So it's main, its main use is to regulate iron levels, both if you have high or low iron. So a lot of the people that use lactoferrin supplements are individuals who have low iron, so like uh iron deficient anemia or just low iron levels in general, low ferritin, and it can help it generally it can, it doesn't always, you know, but it can help raise, safely raise iron levels.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Even if you are not changing your supplementation of iron.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

Correct. Yep. So so and it's because a lot of times with nutrients, it's not all about what's coming in, it's about how it's being utilized. Yeah. What's happening once it gets in. And with iron's a little bit tricky because in excess, iron can be quite toxic. So if you have iron deficiency and the the problem is not intake, but the problem is absorption. If you take an iron supplement, you're you could potentially end up with iron toxicity because the iron's not getting to where it needs to go. So the lactoferin is a transport system for the iron to help it get into where it needs to go in the body. And because when you have when you have excess iron, it causes a lot of oxidative stress. It also can cause a lot of microbial imbalance because iron is one of the things that microbes will use to form their protective shields, their biofilm uh biofilms. So you don't want excess iron floating around. So one of the things lactoferin does really well is it acts as a biofilm disruptor or inhibitor preventing it from forming, because if you have this excess iron in the GI tract or wherever it's at, the lactoferin can go and just grab this excess iron and prevent the microbes from using it to form their protective shields. So it actually has a pretty strong antimicrobial effect for a lot of people as well. But generally, yeah, it's it's all based on this iron binding. If someone has excess iron, it can just grab to that excess iron that's just hanging out, not being used, and it can take that and transport it to where it needs to go as well. So it's it's not an iron supplement. It's an iron modulator or an iron regulator that can be used both with high or low iron levels. And people can just, if you want to do a little research, just go and type in, you know, lactoferin on PubMed or lactoferrite supplement. And there's there's quite a bit of research showing quite a bit of uh quite a bit of benefits with with lactoferin as a very safe way to uh to raise iron levels in a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

And if someone's iron levels, let's say are optimal and they're not looking to actually change them, um, but maybe they're going after immune support or gut health, could they also take this product?

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Yeah, absolutely. So it's got a number of additional benefits. So it it can promote some some healthy uh bacteria in the gut, like bifidobacteria, it can help uh provide help uh act as essentially like a prebiotic for that. And then it can just help balance the microbiome by inhibiting the formation of the biofilms. So if someone it's a great addition to an antimicrobial protocol or or just a detoxin protocol in general, um, by binding to some of the excess iron that that is hanging out. And that's part of the you know opportunity for microbes to thrive, would be this excess iron. So even if your iron levels on a test are optimal, there might still be a little bit excess that you want to um prevent the microbes from utilizing in the GI tract, and you can just bind that and you know remove that with the with the lactoferin. So immune support, it's it's it's pretty good for immune support, for GI health, and then the primary application is iron regulation. But overall, I like it. I like things that are that have a lot of potential benefit and things that are not necessarily interfering with other things in the body. Like it's a very natural thing. Our body's naturally producing lactoferin. We're just basically adding more of it, and it's it's just very natural the body knows what to do with it. It's not going to accumulate, it's not going to cause any sort of, you know, like there's no accumulation of toxicity. Like with an iron supplement, it can accumulate in the body, and it's a metal iron, right? It can be very, very toxic. So with like lactoferrin is kind of the first line of defense. If someone has iron deficiency, generally taking a lactoferin supplement first would be a very good idea to see if they could raise the levels without the iron supplementation. If so, they don't have to take the iron. If it doesn't work, then they can add the iron later, or they can combine them where the they take the lactoferin with the iron supplement, and then the lactoferin helps transport the iron. But I always like to start with the most natural things first and then work up from there. But a lot of a lot of women, especially in men with low iron, will see pretty good improvements in ferritin levels and iron just from taking the lactoferin for a couple of months. And if if that gets the job done, then um I'd start with that.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

That's amazing. Um, and why would someone opt for the alloferrin over just dairy-free lactoferrin?

SPEAKER_00 40:29

Yes. So they're they're both the the dairy-free lactoferrin, and then the alloferrin is just combining the stairy-free lactoferin with an aloe vera extract. So the the aloe, it's just it's one of my favorite ingredients. My first supplement company was the first ingredient that I ever sold. That's why I started my first supplement company. It's by the ingredients called biolo, which is like a bioavailable aloe vera. It's they've taken, they've extracted the main medicinal compound of aloe, which is called Ace Manin. It's a polysaccharide, and they've stabilized it. It's it's quite incredible what they've done with this. This it's just a great ingredient. So really good for immune regulation, for gut health, all sorts of stuff. So it's just a little bit of additional benefit. It can also bind to some LPS. So sometimes if you take the alloferrin, um, you know, the lactoferin might disrupt the biofilm because it's binding to the iron, potentially could cause some detox reactions because of that biofilm disruption. Then you get some LPS and things exposed. The allo might help bind to that. So that's another reason why taking um taking the alloferin or the dairy free lactoferrin along with the xeocharge is probably going to be a good idea because as you disrupt things, you want that binder to come in and help kind of mop up some of that potential mess that was made. So, and that is another point. If people do experience detox reactions from the alloferin or the dairy free lactoferrin, it's from that biofilm disruption effect where they've just mobilized some, you know, some sort of microbe. They've disrupted that biofilm, that protective shield of the microbe. And now you've got, you know, the stuff that just dumped out of it, and that could cause a detox reaction.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Would you recommend taking the alloferin at bedtime, or would you recommend taking it earlier and then following it up with the zoo charge?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

I would probably it's it'd be better to take it before, because then if there's a detox reaction, you could take the zoocharge, you know, an hour later, or or even at the same time if you want to take them together, that would be fine as well. Uh, but it is better to take the the dairy for lactoferin and alloferin away from food because it's gonna be absorbed better. So there's also some cognitive effects as well. So it can definitely help with brain benefits as well. But the it definitely works better on an empty stomach. So either 30 to 60 minutes before a meal or probably two hours after a meal would be ideal. It can be taken with food, it's just gonna work a little bit better on an empty stomach. So it could be first thing in the morning, it could be uh at night. If you take it first thing in the morning, it's gonna have a stronger antimicrobial effect. So if that's what you're going for, take it in the morning. If you don't want to take a chance on potential detox symptoms, take it later in the evening when there's less uh likelihood of that. And one more thing I wanted to add on it, it does, it does have um an ability to kind of stabilize um like mast cell activity to some extent. So some people are finding that it may help with mast cell activation, kind of calming things down, calming down the histamine response. But once again, it could go either way because as you start storing stuff up through biofilm disruption, that could result in an increased histamine response, even though it directly does help reduce histamine. So it's one of those things like what is the net effect? Kind of like zoarge. Most people it helps reduce histamine, but some people, as part of the detox reaction, it increases the histamine response temporarily. So it's it's the same kind of. So traditionally, up until a few years ago, the only available option for lactoferrin was from cow's milk. So essentially, because milk has lactoferin in it actually as well. So they would basically take cow's milk and extract the lactoferrin, and they'd have to use a lot of milk to get you know this level of lactoferin, then they spray dry it, and then it's a powder, which is okay, but it's coming from a cow. I just don't trust the cows these days because you know these are not none of the lactoferin products are coming from like grass fed cows or anything either. And then I don't trust, I just don't trust trust the milk as much as I used to. Plus, there's The issues with immune reactivity and sensitivities to dairy-based products. So that's why I did away with that product uh years ago. But now they have a dairy-free version, um, which which is is is basically it utilizes precision fermentation. So it's it's um it's not there's no dairy derivatives at all, it's allergen-free and it's more compatible to the human body. So they did basically a study um where they compared the dairy-free lactoferrin to the cow lactoferin. And uh, and at a high dose, the cow lactoferin did stimulate some some antibodies because that you know, as a foreign invader, milk generally will will stimulate some antibody production for the body to go clean this up because it's not natural, um, cow's milk at least. And then with the dairy free lactoferin, there was no antibody production. So the body received it better. It's gonna work better than the dairy-free because the body knows what to do with it more because it's more equivalent to the human body. So um, yeah, really excited about it. And you know, cow lactoferin, I have nothing against it. Actually, it it's still gonna, if that's all you have access to, great. It's still gonna be okay. It's just this is kind of the next level. Um, it's gonna be, it's just gonna have some additional benefits and it's dairy-free, which a lot of people need that dairy-free option. So one cap a day is kind of, you know, if you want to do a maintenance dose or if you have kind of a low-level issue you want to resolve. If you have something more, more active, like you have pretty low ferritin levels, or you want to give it a good try, I would do two capsules a day. I would do one earlier in the day and one later in the day of either the dairy-free lactoferin and the alloferin to give it kind of the best, the best go. And then you can kind of move down to one capital capsule a day for more maintenance after that. So maybe, you know, two to three months. I would do two to three months on the two capsules a day, get some retesting, see what kind of progress was made, and then go down from there if you need a, if you, if you're good to go, you can reduce it down to one or be done.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

And you said you could do, you know, first thing in the aim, let's say if you're not super sensitive to detox reactions, maybe a bit before bedtime to follow it up with the Zo charge. Would there be any benefit um for the user who's both going to be trying to optimize their transportation of iron, but then also nutritionally, like to do an iron and like vitamin C rich meal and then follow it up with follow their meal up with the supplement to kind of pair it?

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Yeah, potentially, potentially. Um it's it yes, it's it's just a matter of does the how much does the food interfere with the absorption of the lactoferrin? And like, although there is gonna be the iron present, is is that it's kind of tricky. It's kind of unknown. That's why they generally like the absorption is generally better of lactoferrin um away from food. But it can if people want to experiment with that, I I think it's definitely uh worthy of experimentation. And it that, you know, because I've I've done that as well, is taking it with food because I figure it's like it's gonna be helping absorption. But a lot of times what happens is, you know, even after you know, hours after you eat, you still have that excess iron kind of hanging out in the gut. And then you could take the lactofer, and then it's still gonna bind to it and transport it where it needs to go. So um, it should be okay either way.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Okay. All right. Well, new supplement that's going to be launching soon is the corella. Can you tell us a little bit about your product? Because there's this is another supplement where there's a lot on the market. And I know you have to be very specific with sourcing, manufacturing, and that's what you're bringing. How does it pair with Zocharge for detoxing?

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Yes, yep. So I like, so I and I I've sold a lot of different types of seaweeds and things in the past, but the problem is, you know, the kind of the sea contamination and just the quality control of a lot of these products, it's kind of hard to know. Um, so that's why I like with phytocharge, I like the phytocharge, which is the marine phytoplankton product, because it's it's naturally harvested from the ocean, but then it's grown in a controlled environment in tanks, you know, cultivated indoors so it doesn't have the contamination. And that's what this chlorella is as well. So now there's a new manufacturing method for chlorella, and it doesn't, to my knowledge, exist for spirulina or any of the other algae. It's only for chlorella right now, and there's only one place in the world that does this, which is where we're getting it from. And basically they take, they wild harvest the chlorella and then they reproduce it in a controlled environment in these, you know, in these tanks, these massive uh seawater tanks that don't have the contamination. So it's reproducing without the exposure to uh the toxicity in the ocean. Because the problem with the chlorella and a lot of these seaweeds is they they do, you know, they're they're good for detox because they absorb and you know, they bind to you know heavy metals and things in the ocean. So as they're growing and they're replicating, they're they're they're binding to various things in the ocean, various contaminants. So when it's grown in this controlled environment, there's no toxicity for it to bind to. So you only have the tiny amount of toxicity from the natural harvesting. But then since it's reproduced in a natural environment, you don't get that external source of toxicity. So that's why it's called, it's literally called super clean chlorella. So we're calling it super clean clean chlorella. And the other, so it's just a natural chlorella. And the other thing I like about it is is the way they break the cell walls. So chlorella is very nutrient-rich. It's got a lot of nutrition uh and a lot of nutrients, bioavailable nutrients, but they're not bioavailable on their own. So that's why when you buy a chlorella supplement, generally it says broken cell wall chlorella, because they have to use some sort of method to break down the cell wall of the chlorella to make those nutrients bioavailable or usable for your body. And a lot of those methods are through using chemicals or using some sort of pulverization to kind of crush the cell walls. And our chlorella uses a natural fermentation to soften and weaken and break down the cell walls. So it's just a much more natural process overall, all one that doesn't have the external source of the toxicity from the ocean because it's in the controlled environment reproduction. And then it's broken down through a natural fermentation process without the use of chemicals or pulverization. So pretty nifty. It's uh chlorella, it's it's not something I generally recommend as a primary or standalone detox agent. So I know a lot of people are using chlorella just in general as a detox agent. I think it's a it's a fairly weak binder. So I definitely do not recommend just using this like instead of Zoocharge or as a binder because it it's it's inefficient, it drops a lot of toxicity. I would only use chlorella if you're using it with Zoocharge. So it's an add-on, it's not a standalone. Um, it's much more likely to cause a detox reaction, it's less, must, less, must, much less of an efficient detox than the zoo charge. So it's a complementary, but I wouldn't use it on its own. Um if someone is completely healthy and they just want some additional nutrient support, it's probably fine. But for the sensitive individuals, I would say, you know, zero charge, start with the zero charge and then add in. If that's going well for you, then you can add in the chlorella later and you're just getting a little bit of additional uh nutrient support. Mainly what I'm what I why I'm selling it is mostly for that additional nutrient support. And just, you know, it's like a grain. It's just got life, life in it, right? Because the zero charge is just it's not providing any nutritional support. It's it's just it's not bioavailable, it's just binding and removing the toxicity. Then the chlor chlorella is basically just a source of nutrition that's coming in and kind of feeding the cells as well. So it's more of a nourishing product. I'm not really selling it as really a detox product, it's more of a nourishing product with some detox potential as well. But I like to take it either at the same exact time as the zoocharge or you know, or you could you could take the chlorilla, because so chlorella you can take in an empty stomach, or you can take it with a meal. So maybe you take the chlorella with a meal, kind of like adding in a vegetable to your meal, and then you take the zoocharge an hour later. So that would be that would be great. Or you could take them at the same time, you know. It's you could take it anytime.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Okay. All right, and I'm sure that once this podcast goes up, the super clean chlorella will be available on the site. Yes. Okay. All right, great. I get questions about fulvic pairing it with Zocharge just for the customer who maybe is using all three or looking to maybe use two. Would you really say that go with the chlorella if you're really interested in kind of that nutritional punch? And then fulvic and Zocharge if you kind of just want to focus more on the detoxing. Ideally, Zeocharge, pair them with both.

unknown 52:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

So Zeocharge is always the foundation. That's the that's the main detox. And then fulvic is a mineral and nutrient transporter, essentially, so it helps the body utilize nutrients more efficiently. It it also has a lot of trace minerals, so it's like a trace mineral supplement, it's a utilization, kind of a delivery system, and it also has the shiligette, so it's adaptogenic and can provide energy, etc. The chlorella is going to be more of a broad spectrum nutritional support, but together they will work well, and then they all have detox support as well. But I like I think I mean those three together would work well because you've got you've got the greens and just different nutrient profile of the chlorella. Then you have the fulvic, which is gonna help help the body absorb all of the nutrition coming in from the chlorella and the fulvic, and then the zoo charge as the primary detox agent. So those three together work. And that's kind of what the original protocol was with the zoo charge, fulvic charge, and phytocharge. But the chlorella is just gonna have a lot more nutrition than the phytocharge because just basically you're getting more of it. It's just different. The phytocharge has very just very unique profile. It's it's so the phytocharge is a microalgae, where the chlorella is a macroalgae. So the macroalgae is just a lot larger. It's green, it's got a lot going on. The phytocharge is just it's just a lot smaller algae, which has a lot of nutrition, a lot of benefits, but they're a little bit different. So some people might like the phytocharge better. It's like one capsule. The chlorella, you know, you got to take multiple capsules, it's bigger. You can kind of experiment to see which one you like. But um, yeah, you could either take all four of those together or just choose between the phytocharge and the chlorella and then compare those with the fulvic and the Zocharge, and you've got a pretty good combo there.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Okay. Amazing. Let's do a lightning round on the other new launches that we have coming out because those are also very exciting and other technologies that I know people are very fond of. So starting with like the grounding bracelet, the Zooband, can you share a little bit about the technology with that?

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Yes. So it's it's another the goal was so with EMF protection, basically there's there's multiple ways you want to come at it. One is device protection where you put something on the device to make the field coming out a little bit less harmful. And then the other way is when you're being hit with all these frequencies from all over, you want to become more resilient to them. Because the more resilient you are, the less they're gonna hurt you. And that's why the healthier people are more or less sensitive to EMFs, whereas people that have chronic illness, a lot of times are EMF sensitive because they basically have a weakened energy signature or energy field or biofield, and the signals are coming in and affecting them more. So with the Zoband, which is a biofuel bracelet or a grounding bracelet, the idea is to make you more resilient against external um frequencies and energies, right? So that's kind of the idea. Um, it's got it's got natural mineral elements, it's got tourmaline, germanium, uh, various things that are just, you know, just naturally grounding. And that's kind of the idea. So it's it's so far very limited data on this one up to this point, right? So people can let us know what they think. But the people that have tried it, a lot of them do like it. So I actually sent one to my uh brother-in-law, and he just put it on last week for the first time. And he wore it all, he put it on, wore it all night. He had no idea what it was. He's just like, okay, I'll you know, thank you. It looks it says love. It says love on it. I got one here. So I have uh on the metal part it says love, which is kind of cool. But anyway, he put it on. Then he texted me the next day and he said he it was the first time he slept over seven hours in over two months. And then he went to uh the gym and he said it was his best workout in a couple of months, and maybe that was because of the better sleep. I don't know. And then it once again, this could be a complete coincidence. There's that's not very scientific. But anyway, he thought it was great. Um, a few other people have have reported pretty good reports on it. Someone said they had shoulder pain and then they put it on, and then the next morning the shoulder pain was gone. We've done a little bit of experimentation with the bio well, which is the biofield test, and it also is showing uh benefits as well with some of the categories like energy reserve, significantly higher. So definitely seems to be doing something, but it's one of those things that's I'm not, you know, it's not like some of these companies come out and they're like, oh, you put this pendant on or you put this bracelet on and it completely protects you against 5G. And every it's like, no, like I'm never gonna say something like that. Like there's no way to know the level of protection these things offer. It's just about adding things that are going to help a little bit. And you know, if you add a bunch of these things that help a little bit, then you're gonna be better off. So the question is, you know, how how much more resilient is it going to make you? It's kind of unknown. It probably depends on the person, but you know, I think it's better than nothing. So I mean, I wear one every day. I like it. It makes me feel better. I think it helped works a little bit. Um, so yeah, yeah, it's just it's one of those things. It's not like this is what I need to change my life completely that's gonna completely protect me. But it's it's one of those way down the line, after someone is like deep into this health stuff and they've tried all this stuff, they're detoxing, they're eating right, they're doing email, they're doing all this. It's like, all right, what else can I do to optimize my health? It's like for that person. It's like, all right, let's keep it stinking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

Okay. Well, it sounds exciting. Um, the WoW pen going into some water technology. Um, can you explain what that is? Because another, that's kind of another one that's on the market that's definitely blew up last year in 2025. But can you go into your technology and who is it for? Why did you develop it?

SPEAKER_00 58:07

Yes. So the WoW pen, the WoW stands for water optimization wand and then pen. So I just thought it sounded cool, WoW pen, but essentially, you know, it's it's it's for it's it's some level of water structuring. And I don't even I hesitate to even call it water structuring. Maybe water energizing is a better term or water optimization. But first thing to note, it's not filtering and any, you know, it's not removing anything from the water, it's just optimizing the energetic signature of the water. That is the idea. So with water, when you basically the best way to explain this, I think, is if you have two cups of water, let's just call them both reverse osmosis, the same, same source of water. You put one cup in the water of water in the microwave and you zap it for three minutes. That water is still going to be water, but it's gonna be less healthy than the water that was not microwaved. It still looks the same, like, but it it has less energy to it, right? So, and there's been experiments where they've you know taken that water and they've watered plants and the plants started dying, you know, all this stuff. People can do that experiment if you want. I know some of the things online say that's debunked, but a lot of people have done it and it did kill the plants. So if people want to experiment with that just to see, go for it. But I definitely believe that if you microwave water, it will be less healthy than normal water because it's zapped the energetic signature, right? Because to some extent, the water has life. It has a vibrational frequency, it has, it has, it has a light, some sort of life to it. And if you kill that with the radiation or you're adding radiation to the water, either way, that's not going to be good. So basically with the wow pen, what we're trying to do is take that in the opposite direction. Don't microwave the water, but just take the standard water, stir it for 20 to 40 seconds, like 20 seconds generally for eight ounces of water, um, you know, 40 seconds for 16 ounces, et cetera. Stir the water and it's adding energy to the water, which makes it healthier, right? And there's a lot of different names for this type of water. Um, you know, magnetized water, energy enhanced water, you know, there's people call structured water, coherent water, all these different things. But essentially the goal with all of these different devices out there is to take water that is essentially, for lack of a better term, dead and to bring it back to life or to add energy to it. Right. So that's that's the goal.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

Can you describe a little bit more about the technology that actually like enhances, let's say, filtered water, like not dead microwaved water?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

Yeah, so so and even like using a RO system or distillation or something generally will drain energy from um the water as well. So the one thing to understand or to help people like with this is is energy has uh water has memory, right? So so think about this. This is might be disturbing, but the the water that that we're mostly getting is like if you're on um even if you have an RO system or a distiller in your home, but the water is coming from a municipality, just the main source. That water at one point had a lot of medication byproducts. It was basically poop water, it was sewer water, let's be honest, right? And then it was highly filtered out through the filtration processes. But the water retains the memory of those other things, and that negative memory zaps the water's energy. So, one, we want to kind of, as we structure the water or we energetically enhance the water, we're erasing the negative memory, and that's the main thing that it's doing. And it's kind of bringing water back to its natural state, and then adding a little bit. Right, and there's a lot of ways to do it. So, like with structured water and things, you can put you can put a glass of water out in the sun, and the infrared rays from the sun will help structure the water, right? And there's different research on this from like Gerald Pollock, who talks about the exclusion zone water and various methods for water, you know, he doesn't call it structuring, but like easy water or uh fourth phase of water. And essentially there's things like infrared rays and naturally occurring things that that just are natural in nature that that bring water back to its natural state. So if you went out in nature and you had a spring, you would have naturally, you know, energized water, but then we basically zap the water and drain it of its naturally energy, natural energy through a filtration and through all these other processes. So the goal is just to erase some of that negative memory and to bring some of the energy back to it. And then there's levels of water structuring. So I was talking to a water scientist last year, and you know, he was selling a $6,500 water structuring device. And I'm like, well, why wouldn't I, you know, why would I buy this when I could just go put my glass of water in the sun? They both structure the water. And he said, yes, but it's about what is the level of water structuring that is occurring. And that's really the question. I was like, all right, so he's like, you can put the water in the sun, it structures it, it energetically enhances it, but not to the extent as some of the technology out there that will energize it even more. I'm like, okay, that makes sense. So the the pen, it's it's you know, it's not the $6,500 system. It's I think $99, right? So it's it's a lower cost thing, but it's going to, it's going to get the job to the job done to the point where it's, I think it would be better than putting it in the sun. But there's other methods out there. Basically, I was using one of those pens that you stir the water with. That was a couple hundred, maybe over 200 bucks. I'd been using that. I dropped one, broke it, and I think I did that twice, and it was kind of annoying because it's it was so fragile because it was crackless. Um, but I liked it because it's, you know, you stir the water, makes the water a little bit healthier, I think. But I just wanted to make one that was similar to that, that was a little bit lower cost and more durable. So this one is stainless steel. And then inside of the stainless steel, you've got the natural mineral elements where you've got, you know, mag natural magnetism, you've got um just minerals and combination that are generating kind of that energy field that the water responds well to, and then it just enhances the energetic signature of the water.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Okay. That's the idea to know the technology because I think every company both markets it differently, what they're actually doing to your water. But that's nice to know what's in the pen and what's having the effect on your water. And it's also very nice because it's actually transportable. So if you're lying anywhere, a lot of the structuring devices are just kind of stationary. So another benefit there. All right. And then kind of our last technology here that we're excited to bring is just the red light therapy. So two different um expansions of that with the therapy face mask, another device that was super popular last year. And then the therapy sleeping bag. So can you expand on both of those devices and who they're for and who would benefit?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

Yes. So red light therapy is one of those things. I've been using red light therapy for a long time. I actually started a red light therapy company eight or nine years ago. Um, and it was the first zero EMF emitting uh red light therapy panel on the market, which which it was a whole thing. I had started multiple companies at the same time. It was a little bit much for me right before, you know, before COVID. But anyway, now most of these devices are naturally like the manufacturing process has advanced to the point where most of them are low EMF already. But you know, I was I was taking like taking apart these panels and putting like copper wiring all over, making Faraday cages around the wiring so it was zero EMF. Um, they ended up having some issues because as the the degradation of the copper wiring, it would like short the circuit. It was issues. I don't sell those anymore. But I so I've been into red light therapy for quite a while. And um, but I'm thankful that the technology has advanced. So a lot of the products on the market are pretty good. At this point, some are definitely better than others. Um, one of the things to be aware of with red light therapy is that some of the products are not true red light therapy, they're just red light, like red light filters on the bulb, but it's not red light therapy. So, like with red light therapy, you need a special red light diode, like LED, for each frequency. So if you have like 630 nanometers and six sixty nanometers, and both of those are coming out of the same LED diode, that's not going to be true red light therapy because you need a separate LED diode that is Specifically designed to emit that red light. So if you've got something that's producing like nine different light frequencies and there's one bulb, it's they're just filled like different colors or filters. So you got to just be careful with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

But um most I think whenever you're going for the technology, you have to do your research on the actual technology, not just the colors or anything like that. Because I think, you know, so many people just kind of see these things and get things on Amazon and they're just so like placebo, nothing's happening. And um I think specifically with all the products that were developing in the technology um sector of the wellness space last year, or really becoming more popularized, not developing. But I think for any of these, I think that's something that also makes the O-Light Lab stand out is that there's there is not really any compromise in terms of integrity of products, um both in sourcing of materials and in testing.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:11

Yeah. And it's it's kind of interesting, like different for me, because generally I only I only do things that are completely different and no one else is even coming close to doing what I'm doing. Right. So like with the Zoom app, like there's nothing like that. The EMF structuring card is completely new technology. And I forgot to mention with the EMF structuring card, there's also shungite in there. So besides the natural manure elements for the energy field and um the resonator chip, and then you've all there's also fractal-based geometry. Like I used an AI program to generate a fractal-based geometry, so that that's a natural kind of resonator chip as well. There's shungite, because I'm like, let's just throw some shunite in there too, because shungite has naturally image.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

We love shungite as you let them.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:50

Right. So I love it. So it's uh yeah. So there's shun guite in there. So that's unique. Like there's nothing like that card on the market. Um, you know, the mats, there's nothing like the mat, the wrap Zocharge, nothing like that. Um, but like with the red light therapy stuff, I'm not gonna pretend like I completely re-engineered like red light therapy. It's essentially I just found the best manufacturer of red light therapy, and that's what I'm selling. So no, and that's full transparency there. Generally, what I like to do is I take the best of what's out there and then I enhance it, I modify it and make it better. With the red light therapy, I just said, you know, I really like these red light therapy masks personally because I like to put it on when I'm on the zeal mat or, you know, just like it's like you can stack the therapies. But I was like, I'm just gonna sell this. I did modify it though, I will say that. So I just changed the frequencies. So generally these masks will have like four different frequencies. They'll have a red and infrared, and then the default ones had a blue and a yellow. And I wanted to get rid of the blue and the yellow, so I just added two more uh frequencies. So ours are 630 and 660 nanometers, which are both a red light therapy, and then there's 830 and 850 for the infrared. So that's the difference between my mask and some of the other premium masks. Now, most of the masks on the market are just you could, they're not premium. Like this is the top mask on the market. The other companies that are selling the same mask from this manufacturer are just selling it for more. So we're selling it for $2.99. Most of these go for $349 upwards. So I just wanted to make it, you know, a little bit more accessible. It is definitely better than some of the other like Amazon-based or like you know, I don't think you can consider those.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

If you're getting it like off, it won't be a therapy.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

No, some of the and it might be, but just the quality of it, because I like I was using one off of Amazon. I think it paid like 140 bucks or something for it. And it's like I it was red light therapy, but the mat like it didn't have the premium feel. You had to plug it into the wall. Like this one is a rechargeable battery, so you don't have to have it plugged into the wall when you're using it. It's got a very premium material. Um, it's it's just way better. So it's a little bit more. I mean, if someone's on a super budget and they only have 120 bucks to spend, then you could probably get one that will work from Amazon if you find the right one. It's just it's not gonna, it's just not gonna be as good. But yeah, this one is definitely it's the top one on the market in terms of like the premium materials and and uh feel for it. It's 299, which is I think pretty reasonable. I really like it. So yeah, it's it's the it's just the face mask. It's got six, so 630 and 660 are the red light wavelengths, and then 830, 850 are infrared. And those are both um, so generally the red is more for superficial for skin applications. The infrared penetrates a little bit deeper. Um, but it's good to get a kind of a different frequencies because some people will respond a little bit better to one over the other. Um, but yeah, so generally that's that's what's in there. Then the red light therapy sleeping bag, these are pretty cool. These are also kind of newer to the market. And it's a full body application for red and infrared light, and it's like a sleeping bag or a sandwich bag. I call it a sandwich bag, but it's essentially a sleeping bag. You can zip yourself up. And um, you get 660 and 850. So you get the red and the infrared. And you're the benefit of these as opposed to like a stand-up red light therapy panel, is that it's on its direct skin contact. And when you have direct skin contact with red light therapy, kind of like the face mask, it's a little bit more beneficial because you don't lose some of the therapeutic potential from like the reflection of like the light, like when it's not directly on your skin. So um they're they're pretty nice. The red light therapy sleeping bags also have um pulse modes, so you can do 10 and 40 hertz pulses and the lights will flicker at either 10 or 40 hertz, and that's essentially to provide like a biofeedback to the body. So 10 hertz um can help kind of with the parasympathetic nervous system balance and kind of have a calming effect, it just kind of stimulates the body to kind of calm down. And then 40 hertz is study for more brain, like brain um activity, so like stimulating brain activity. So that can help just kind of stimulate some some brain activity. So pretty nifty as well. Um, that's the red light therapy sleeping bag. That one may or may not be on the website. If it's not on the website by the time of this recording, send an email to Alexis at zolightlabs.com or info at zolightlabs.com, and then we'll just uh we'll tell you how to how to purchase it for that one. But we're we're gonna mark that one down as well to be pretty affordable compared to the other ones on the market of this exact manufacturer, this quality, because there's a couple others that are cheaper, but they're I don't they're not good. The ones that of this quality are all too grand, and we're gonna be selling ours for 1600. So just just a little bit, you know, discounted um just because we want, you know, we want stuff to be accessible as well, because I know this stuff adds up and it can be a little bit expensive, but um, you know, you know, it's one of those things that if you're into red light therapy and you're looking for a red light therapy device, go for it. If you already have stand-up panels and full body systems, you probably don't need to buy this on top of it. Because you're like it's probably you probably already have something that's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

How long would you recommend someone kind of using these therapies? Like what's the sweet spot for time?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:03

Yes, good question. So for for the for the face mask, I I like 15 to 20 minutes. I think is plenty. 20 20 is probably good. You don't necessarily longer is not always better with red light therapy. There's kind of diminishing returns, and there's a point where you just don't need to do it anymore. With the with the with the uh sleeping bag, 15 to 30 minutes should be fine. And people can experiment because it's one of those, everyone is gonna respond a little bit differently to these things. Some people might need longer than others, but a little bit of experimentation to see how long, but they're not super long sessions, which is nice. So yeah, you could also do you could put the face so that with the sleeping bag, it doesn't cover your face. It covers your entire body, but not your face. So you could have the face mask on, and you could have the sleeping bag so you can be getting your face and the whole body at the same time. Just do 20 to 30 minutes and call it a day.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:51

Okay, that would be an amazing duo. So when this podcast episode will launch, all of our products will be on the site and available to customers. Are there any final thoughts you want to share on any of the expansion?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:05

No, I think I mean, just I I encourage people to provide feedback. So definitely just let us know you know, any feedback because you know I'm always open to innovation. Things can be modified to some extent as well with these technologies. So if you have any ideas for innovating or, you know, modifying these products in any way, definitely uh let us know. And because this is just the early stages of it, and you know, things generally progress as as time goes. But yeah, we'd love we'd love any feedback, positive or you know, words of um, you know, encouragement. Or yeah, yeah, whatever. Any any feedback is welcome. But yeah, I think uh I will say the most I'm most excited about the Zo Mat and the ZoWrap just because in terms of therapeutic potential, like if someone was only gonna get one thing between like red light therapy or any of the stuff, I would go with the Zoomat or ZoWrap because just that seems to be providing just the most overall therapeutic potential, just the overall, most overall benefit. And then you can build upon that. Kind of like Zocharge is the primary supplement, and then you can build upon that. But that's that's the one, that's the fine foundation, right? Like people are just taking Zocharge, getting incredible results. They can add on it if they want. For the technology, the Zo Mat andor the ZoWrap is the primary technology. Start there, and then you can build upon that if you want to with some of the other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:20

Okay. All right. Well, amazing. Um, I've been enjoying them all myself. They're amazing products, so excited for everyone to experience them. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

Well, thank you, Alexis.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:31

This was this was fun.