SPEAKER_00 0:15

Welcome back, everyone. This is the Detox Experience, and I am joined today by Dr. Sheila Kennely, and I'm super excited about this conversation. We've talked a couple times. We did an Instagram live a couple years ago on your page, which was great. And you provide just a ton of great content on Instagram and all over. So super excited for you to share some of your knowledge today. Thanks for coming on. And why don't you just start by just kind of introducing yourself, telling us a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Sure. So Sheila Kenneli, as Jeff said, and I'm not a doctor, I'm actually a naturopath. So I prefer to be clear around that. You can find me on Instagram as Holistic Health by Sheila. And if you're familiar with your work with my work, you'll understand that I'm very passionate around biochemistry and the terrain, understanding why the body does what it does, and really gauging the language of the body, the story that the body is telling, so you can understand when it's appropriate to intervene versus just throwing the whole gamut of things at the body expecting correction. So I deeply believe in homeostasis. I deeply believe in healing. And my work is intertwined with Zoocharge, actually, and that will come up a bit later. But yes, I'm a naturopath, I'm an educator. I was born in Chicago. I live in France. I've traveled around the world most of my life and ended up here for this chapter. And I'm passionate about working with clients one-on-one. I'm deeply passionate about passing on the biochemistry and the understanding of the body, which my mentors taught me and gifted me that knowledge. And so I have endeavored to compile a course called The Practitioner Blueprint. And yeah, I can speak a bit more about that later, but it's a passion of mine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Absolutely. Yeah, definitely want to talk about that a little bit later. And I love what you said because that's my big thing lately has been we need to try to understand why the body is doing what it's doing. So we can then develop better protocols and help encourage the body to do what it wants to do, opposed to fighting against the body's natural desires. Because a lot of times people think, well, I'm taking a natural supplement. So because it's natural, it's automatically good for me. But just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good for you or you should be taking it. So there's a lot of natural drugs that might be fighting against biochemical pathways or doing something the body doesn't want it to do. And we just have to understand, like sometimes we get a little bit away from the natural, functional, holistic approach, and we think we're doing it. So how long, how long have you been doing this? Kind of what brought you into this journey of natural health?

SPEAKER_03 2:44

Certainly my own health, as many practitioners. Um, I have a pretty deep health story being raised in the Midwest Chicago in the 1980s on a pretty chemically laden diet. Um, child of the 80s. Sometimes I don't know how we survived, how we're still ticking. When I look at how I raise my children now, I'm just like, what? What were they doing back then? Um, but it was really my own health. I mean, I certainly was the third born to a mother that was somewhat nutritionally depleted. And I think the pivotal turning point was at 13 years old. I mean, I had 13 years of sort of antibiotics, a standard American diet, a lot of love, but just, you know, they didn't really understand what input, what input was last back then in our systems. But at 13 years old, I lost 60 pounds in about four months' time. And I also took Roaccutane at the same time. And if you understand hepatobiliary health, the liver, the gallbladder, and bile, you will understand that both of these inputs are significant strains on the liver and the gallbladder. Toxins are lipophilic, and so the liver and the gallbladder is going to get a hit. And this applies to GLP1. Drastic weight loss is a burden on your hepatobiliary system. On top of that, I took roacutane, um, which is a toxic dose of retinolic acid. And so I think I really, really damaged my liver at a young age. And that set me up for, you know, decades of symptoms that oscillated, that I tried to understand. And, you know, I really had to heal myself, if I'm honest with you. And that healing for me was deeply intertwined with meditation most of my life. And when I think about what drives me as a practitioner, as a naturopath, it's really freedom would be my core value, freedom physiologically and freedom psychologically. And I think we can actually talk about Zoocharge in that sense, um, because I was thinking about Zoocharge earlier and why I value it so much in terms of reducing friction in a system. But yes, it was really my own health and relentless symptoms that pointed me towards biochemistry. And, you know, like I studied, I mean, I've studied most of my life. I studied at university level, Loyal University of Chicago, and then I studied again when I relocated to New Zealand. And when I'm learning biochemistry, I am in the moment, like front of the class. There's no other noise. It's just it's fascinating to really understand how the body works and how intricate it is. So that I've been practicing for a while. I studied naturopathy in New Zealand, and so I've been a practicing naturopath since 2011, working with clients, but deeply interested in health for decades and researching myself.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah. So just something you you touched on there, the Accutane. So what are your thoughts kind of on vitamin A? Do you think that we can get too much vitamin A in the diet? Does it depend on the specific form, whether it's synthetic, natural, does it accumulate in the liver? Like what are your, I know there's varying thoughts on that. What are your where you where do you stand with that?

SPEAKER_03 5:44

I can share that I'm cautious around liver, for example, which cop which concentrates both copper and retinol. And I think there is a sweet spot to hit with retinol, um, given its role in sex hormones, steroidal hormones, the gut lining, vision, obviously, um our dermis. So I, you know, obviously this is a polarizing vitamin. We know that in this space. And, you know, I went on a low vitamin, low vitamin A diet for a year after I was having gallbladder attacks. And I think it was the reduction in fat, potentially alongside the reduction in retinol. But naturally, when you reduce retinol, you're going to reduce fat because dairy, egg yolks, and liver. And all of that can be a trigger for a gallbladder that is colicky. So I don't sit in the camp that retinol is toxic and drives coliostasis, but retinolic acid in excess in the form of roaccutaneous comes with a black box warning because it's tetragenic and can cause fetal defects. And they monitor, if they're judicious, your liver enzymes while you're taking it. So that right there gives us a hint. So, yes, I think it's a nutrient that we need to respect, just like any other, and be very mindful around superphysiological doses and what we're doing in a system without really knowing um the effects of it. So I think I sit in the middle. I consume retinol, I advocate for the consumption, the healthy consumption of moderate retinol.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Yeah, perfect. No, thank you. That's perfect. Thank you so much. So I we'll just drop jump right into the Zocharge. So that's how we connected. How did you kind of find it? How'd you get involved with it? Tell us about it.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

I mean, I found you via one of my dear mentors, Dr. Karen von Guwart, um, who's a German medical doctor that is rooted in orthomolecular medicine, and she's been profoundly influential in my own practice. So I actually found you through my mentor, and I began utilizing my your product, and I noticed personally a reduction in neurological symptoms and began using it in practice and you know, was gauging clients' effects, and um, it's a mainstay in my practice. It's a mainstay because I feel it as and I see it clinically as a binder that first does no harm because of its potential to mineralize as well as pick up many noxious agents that are, you know, really interrogating people's neurological health. Like I really appreciate its ammonia binding capacity, its histamine binding capacity. And I think the deeper I go into clinical work, the deeper I go into education, the deeper I go into health, I realize so much of health is reducing friction in the system and getting the body to a point that its own inert, like endogenous wisdom takes over and restores homeostasis. And I think zoocharge is part of that, really reducing friction, reducing friction, um, and allowing the body to restore, you know, without having to intervene at every single pathway and restore everything. It's like, where can we minimize friction in a system so that there isn't such significant bile supersaturation? And we obviously know the many facets that bile serves in the system. That's just one example of it, yes. Um, so yes, Zocharge is a mainstay in my practice. I think anyone that knows me knows that I advocate for it. Um, it's very rare, I find, I mean, you know, there's 15% of the population that find it difficult to titrate on, but 85% largely do. And I I've recently had a pediatric case with, you know, significant colicky psych symptoms for a child and significant gastrointestinal symptoms. A lot of it was linked to ammonia and a pathogen load. And yeah, zoocharge has sign, you know, when we see pediatric gains, they're so obvious, you know, and it's such a relief for a mom. And it's like, okay, you know, the child, you see a bit more of their natural self. Um and Zeocharge has been really instrumental in his yeah, his improvement in symptoms.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Yeah, perfect. So is there a specific type of client that you're kind of uh looking to utilize it with? Are you kind of putting it as like a general binder just as part of general your protocols?

SPEAKER_03 10:07

Um I do emphasize food-based binding. I'm a big believer in utilizing food as much as possible. So prebiotic fibers and soluble fibers always come first for me. Um, but then specifically Zoocharge. Um certainly it's ammonia binding capacity. Um obviously it's heavy metal binding capacity. It has an affinity for aflatoxin. What are the mycotoxins it has an affinity for?

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Uh those are the those are the strongest. And then there's kind of limited research in in a lot of the others, but those are the two.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Um I would say it's definitely a go-to binder for me with general toxicity. Um, and certainly, as I said, ammonia, and yeah, when people are dealing with a lot of neurological interrogation. So, again, the vast majority of the time, I find most clients titrate really well onto it. And then we're just using a feedback system, you know. I'm a big believer in pulsing as well, like not being on something in permanence because you really want to gauge your, you know, your terrain, your tapestry is shifting all of the time. Your needs are shifting all of the time. And so it's important to pulse and to gauge how you feel without it and really be without it for quite a few weeks because there's not an immediate effect often when we stop something. It's cumulative, you know? And then you gauge to what degree you need something and coming in and coming out of it. There's obviously acute stages of care, acute stages of illness that necessitate potentially more intervention than long term. Um, I think it really depends also on where you're living and what you're exposed to, whether you need a daily binder long-term, um, your environmental exposure. So I'm taking all of that in account, but I would say Zocharge is certainly a it's very high up on my list. Everyone knows that. Um, and it certainly applies to general toxicity for me. I layer binders at times. Sometimes I oscillate, but a lot of that is done based on client feedback and really what we're specifically trying to bind.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah. So let's talk about some of the other binders. People are always interested in what other people are doing. What are some of the other binders you utilize and for what purposes?

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Beans.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Okay, so the food base back to the beans.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

No, I mean, I I think that we need to talk a bit more about food, you know? Um, I mean, I'm yeah, I think we need to talk about soluble fiber and yeah, the wisdom of food and its capacity to bind bile acids and to provoke bowel movements and that binding of bile acids, because 95% of them recycled back to the liver, which again is the body's wisdom. It conserves lipids, it conserves bile. But, you know, when individuals are extremely toxic with mold exposure, with LPS, with, you know, let's say toxic bile, um, that wisdom can not serve them in a way, which is why, you know, there's CSM, why there is well call with the shoebaker protocol to intervene and pterohepatic circulation. Um, but I think that even understanding soluble fiber's capacity to bind bile acids to a certain degree, of course, it's not going to be as strong as bile acid sequestrants, like I just named, but you're essentially signaling to the liver via a negative feedback loop to produce fresh bile acids, you know. So it's a it's like we can work with the system, hack it to a certain degree, and fiber, you know, we it doesn't have its place in every single person's diet. So, yes, certainly fiber comes first for me, prebiotic fiber, soluble fiber for various reasons to maintain the microbiome, to um, as I said, create a negative feedback loop where your liver is encouraged to produce fresh file acid. It's a bit of a refresher. Um beyond that, um, binders that I see as appropriate, um, pectisol's affinity for heavy metals can be appropriate at times. Um, activated charcoal a few times weekly. It's porous, it's absorptive, it's non-intelligent, obviously. It's not going to have an ionic swap and drop such as Zeocharge does. But, you know, again, we're using cloud, I'm using a lot of client feedback. And for certain people, like what it's able to actually grab brings neurological symptomatic relief. And that matters, but there's cautions that come with it because it's non-intelligent, you know? Um, and cholesteroline and well-called bile-acid sequestrants, they rarely find their way into my practice because of their effect on lipids. And a lot of people that are dealing with stealth pathogens, such as mycotoxins or chronic viral reactivation, they're dealing with so much oxidative stress in the first place, burning through their lipids, that then you're using a bile acid sequestrant and you're binding lipids, and it just gets to be a big issue when cholesterol is down at 150, 160. You're dealing with a lot of um downstream effects. So I would say, yeah, that I mean, I'm not sure if that's a complete answer to what you were asking.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Yeah, that's perfect. It's it's interesting because a lot of people that I talk to are in this in this mindset of I just need it, you know, if if I take 10 supplements, it's it's automatically better than taking one supplement because it's more stuff. So they they kind of use this methodology with binders, and they're like, well, you know, they they do $5,000 worth of testing and they've identified as many toxic elements as they can. And they say, Well, I need this binder for this, this binder for that, and then they're on 10 binders. My philosophy, and you can tell me if you agree or disagree, but what I think is it's more important to find, you know, one or a couple binders that you tolerate well, regardless of what they're directly binding to, opposed to trying to identify every single thing that needs to be bound and target it directly. Because, like just with the ammonia, like you've mentioned ammonia a couple of times, the ammonia binding capacity of Zoocharge, I do think that's one of the greatest benefits as well. I think just binding to something like ammonia that's taking up so much detox energy from the body, just effectively binding that is going to help the body better deal with mycotoxins, with all sorts of various other toxins and toxicants, because now the body is more energy freed up. So I think a lot of times just taking like zoo charge, if you're tolerating it better than all the other binders, let's say the other binders might be constipating or they might be you know causing some sort of some sort of reaction, just taking the one might be more effective than taking five or six at once. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_03 16:21

I agree that minimal intervention is better, certainly. And it reminds me of just like sometimes I want to just broadly reduce pathogen pressure via a singular potentially sometimes pharmaceutical antimicrobial. It's like, and this is there's a you know, I see um alignment with what you just said, and that's exactly what I was thinking about with Zocharge in terms of reducing the friction in the system so that the body's wisdom can take over and it's less burdened to carry out the processes that it actually knows how to carry out. And it is true. I mean, I had a client this morning, and he I have many that come to me and they're like, I'm taking so many things, I have no idea what is doing what. I do think that we're supplement saturated. I think people are supplement fatigued in this space. And I very while I understand that, um, I still have a deep reverence for orthomolecular medicine and the intervention at enzymatic pathways with certain B vitamins and amino acids when individuals need it. You know, there is an acute phase of intervention that I will stand by, but then there is certainly a phase where the body is functioning better and it's really just a matter of producing friction. So I mean, I think we're speaking the same language when I say I use client feedback and you said tolerance. I think we're talking the same language. It's like, what makes you feel better? What gives you clearer thoughts, better energy, improved sleep, like a better mood? Okay, we're moving in the right direction there, you know? And it is very difficult to know everything that we're binding. It is difficult. Um, but yeah, I mean, certainly when you take the edge off of an ammonia brain, you're gonna give that person a lot of their life back. And I have seen CO charge, even for myself. Um, I can go in and out of high ammonia phases for CBS gene reasons, etc., etc. Um, yeah. And I mean, I have a 13-year-old son and I have a nine-year-old daughter, and my nine-year-old daughter um definitely has been exposed to mold. I've run a mycotoxin test on her, and she can definitely tend towards MCAS hyperactivity, and SEO charge really supports her at nighttime before she goes to sleep and she loves the flavor of it. I have a lot of clients that are like, the kids are ready for their ZO charge, like it's time for a juice mom. So um, no, I'm uh I agree with less, less. Like, we do have to simplify the functional health space, there's no doubt about that. And so in 2026, I'm envisioning that for myself as well, but I still also want to meet the individuals that need to be met in their complexity. Like, we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater because we want to return to food and simplicity and are recognizing the effects of 5G in our nervous systems. Okay, but there is still absolutely a place for, from my perspective, orthomolecular medicine. I don't always intervene with high dose nutrients because I'm dealing with so many hypersensitive MCAST isotonomia cases, but um I still keep my eye on enzymatic pathways and know where, you know, what I can appropriately intervene with.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Yeah, yeah. Perfect, perfect. So I know heavy metals kind of get the spotlight. I think a lot of people, because they're they're I mean, the testing's very limited, but still the, you know, people test for them. There's you know thousands of these other toxicants that are in our bodies that we we aren't really testing for or we aren't identifying. What do you think are some of the main toxic elements um that are causing a lot of people's symptoms? You mentioned pneumonia, what are some of the other ones? Whether they're metabolic poisons, whether they're electromagnetic poisons, whether they're toxicants, what are some of the things you think are causing a lot of symptoms in people?

SPEAKER_03 19:58

I would say second, certainly the second category that you said in terms of electromagnetic toxicants that we're bathing in on a daily basis. Um, but I would say LPS, certainly are very prevalent in most pathologies where there is mast cell degradulation and gastrointestinal symptoms and hepatobiliary symptoms because of how displaced people's commensals become in their gut. And this vacuum allows for gram-negative to inoculate basically, and then you have LPS breaching the gut lining. So I would say lipopolysaccharides, which for anyone that doesn't know are a natural component of gram-negative bacteria that we should have a certain amount of in our gut. But when our bifidobacterium or lactobacillus, certain clostridia, they get collapsed for lack of better words. Your gut is a vacuum and something else is going to take that space, which goes back to fiber because fiber is really what nourishes the biome to maintain itself long term. Um, but these gram-negatives have LPS as part of their structure. And when you have excessive LPS, you're going to have a breach of your gut lining and inflammatory cytokine signaling, aka MCAS, as well. LPS is really linked to fatty liver, to the development of hepatic steatosis. So I would say LPS. Um, I certainly think heavy metals are where certainly in North America, there's a great degree of passive exposure to heavy metals from birth till whenever. Um and then I think it's uh, as you said, like endogenously produced toxins such as ammonia, glutamate. A lot of people are swimming in toxic sulfite. Um of course mycotoxins and endotoxins. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

I think the way I see it is if if you're kind of toxic in one thing, usually you end up being toxic in a lot of things because your body's not clearing. It's like it's not just one thing, it's like it's a detox, it's a it's a physiological problem where the body's detox processes aren't working properly. So then you just get a buildup. And then like I think like with heavy metals, I think anyone that has some sort of complex health challenge they've been dealing with for years automatically has. A high heavy level burden, heavy metal burden, not because the heavy metals were the problem, but they might be a result of the problem because their body didn't have enough energy to process them efficiently as they were coming in, because the body was dealing with something else, and that something else could have even been emotional stress or something. I see there's like a certain amount of energy, right?

SPEAKER_03 22:31

So, yeah, yeah, if your system was occupied with stress and trauma from a very young age, I mean, I often say that trauma comes along with toxicology, it's just like you have a certain amount of energy and your body is going to prioritize survival. And I mean, this lends to the question of calming the nervous system and nervous system regulation, and nervous system is king, yes, but it's very difficult to arrive in a calm state if you're swimming in ammonia or you're interrogated by copper or nickel, as we all know. So it's really like catering, you know, it's acknowledging both lanes of traffic in a system and tending to whichever lane has more traffic on it, and that's really bioindividual, and it can oscillate. Your terrain is not static, nothing is static in a system.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Yeah. Perfect. All right. So you mentioned 5G. So what are your kind of thoughts on electromagnetic um stressors? Wi-Fi, 5G, 4G. What what what kind of impact do you think those are having? I know this is the one thing that a lot of people are like, yeah, I'll I'll get to it later, or there's nothing I can do about it, or they're just, they just are not willing to make that sacrifice. How big of a deal do you think it is?

SPEAKER_03 23:36

I think it's I think it's probably one of the biggest deals that we're dealing with, if I'm honest with you. Um but uh the difficulty comes in chronically unwell individuals living in high density areas and not being not having the energy or the financial resources to relocate themselves. And sharing that information is worthwhile, but it has to be done in a very regulated, intelligent way, because you're just going to compound someone's illness, letting them know that their environment is making them sick. But personally, I live in a low density area in southwest France. I'm obviously on my computer a lot because this is how I run my business. And every day I ground at the ocean's edge, I surf, I go in the water to harvest electrons, literally, and negate these non-native EMFs. But I'm from Chicago, I love Chicago. My family or friends there are for there. Every time I go back, I'm like hit with these non-native EMFs in a way that we're not in Europe. Okay, I live in low density Europe, but I travel throughout Europe a lot. So I use 4G on my phone. Let's say that. I turn off my router at nighttime, I ground daily, and I think that um environmental health is fundamental. You know, it's fundamental. We know that.

unknown 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

I I just bought a new phone and it's it's a 2019. Yeah, it's not not 5G capable. So it's it's you know, it's a lot of us are going back.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

I just gave my 13-year-old son a Nokia. Anyone that has a 13-year-old son is like, good, good job, girl, right now. I just gave him a Nokia, and the reduction in stress in his system is phenomenal. Going from you know, a smartphone, which was a mistake. I own that, whatever it was, the norm I gave it, back to Nokia. It's just like his system is just like comes down. It's such less input from an electromagnetic perspective and from a visual distraction perspective.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

Yeah. I so I was pre-COVID through COVID, I was I had a like a biohacking center. I had, you know, just a bunch of wellness technology to kind of do was doing some functional coaching. I was living in the back of the center at the time because I wasn't going to pay double rent. So I was already paying for this commercial release. Once I moved, I purchased a house in the country and which I'm live sitting in right now, in the middle of the woods with you know no Wi-Fi. It's half underground, it's you can't even get signal with most cell phone carriers. I immediately just my the increase the increase in uh deep sleep was just incredible immediately. And still so I mean I sleep so much better now just being 35 minutes out of town than I did then. Like it's it's noticeable, and I'm also much healthier now than I was four years ago. So I'm less sensitive, less sensitive to the EMFs, right? So I think when your nervous system stimulated, you've got the toxic elements, all this stuff. The EMFs are affecting us all. It's just a matter of how sensitive are we to them, I think.

SPEAKER_03 26:25

So I agree, and I wonder if there's also a question of conductivity, depending on how heavy your heavy metal load is.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Um yeah, it's it's interesting. I like what you said. It's it's not something that you just you have to get out of this, you know, because that's another stressor, and then then we're worse off because we're stressing about it. So we have to be able to, you know, focus on focus on what we have, what we have the opportunity to change right now, start there, and then just keep making progress over the years. I think that's I think that's a good approach with that. But I I like to bring the awareness because a lot of people still, it surprises me, a lot of people still are like, oh, is like that stuff's bad for you. Like I have no idea 5G or or Wi-Fi was even bad at all. It's like, well, awareness is the first step there, and there's something to it.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

I think also like the cleaner your system gets and the cleaner that your brain and your thought processes get. And I'm not saying this from an egoic perspective, but I think it becomes like a zero tolerance for low dopamine, you know, like um how'd you say it? Like sources of dopamine. I'm not saying EMF is a source of dopamine, but you can basically decipher what is real and what is not real in real time, you know? And so your system gets more sensitive and you can recognize what is, you know, what is good for you and what is not good for you. I mean, for me, it's a very strong felt sense. Like I said, I was in the Greek islands with my family for quite a few weeks, low density, turned my phone off largely. And, you know, it's yeah, we all have to fine-tune the degree, the amount of time that we're spending with electronics and with devices. But of course, there are physiological effects in fact in terms of calcium ion channels and our nervous system. Um, but I agree, it doesn't depends on how yeah, how sensitive one is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

So do you think so? One of my thoughts on on these EMF, uh, you know, negative EMFs is that they're negatively impacting our our cells, but I think the bigger impact is the negative influence on the on the micro on the microbes in our body. And I like that's my theory, is that they're just they're stressing out the various path, not path, just microbes in our body, and and they're result that's resulting in them, you know, transforming or producing endo and exotoxins as a result of that stress. That's that's kind of what because you I mean, uh so many people have gut issues now, and I think a lot of those are at least partly contributed to by the EMFs that are just really hurting the microbiome. Do you have do you have any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_03 28:52

I do, and equally I think it's contributing to hyperpermeability and to channels in our system. So I don't, I mean, I've been reading research on that recently, and I can only conclude that extremely collapsed biomes were always looking for, you know, we have individuals that are always looking for what is the root cause? What is the root cause? We don't want to just be treating hyperpermeability without understanding how we had these gap junctions that became widened. A collapsed biome is pretty close to a root cause, but I think questioning EMF impact as to how your commensules got so significantly displaced without repetitive antibiotics and NSAIDs and et cetera, et cetera. Um, yes, I do think there is a profound effect. And I think there's more and more supportive research to demonstrate that. But what I find fascinating, Jeff, is each individual's different capacity to maintain homeostasis in the face of stressors. And this comes down to the individual and genetics and epigenetics and so much input. So um there will be a universal cost, but I think that it will manifest differently for each individual.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Yeah. Okay, interesting. All right, let's go back to like the metals and stuff. I just wanted to ask your thoughts on chelation, like synthetic chelators, EDTA, DMSA, these things. Do you have any any any strong or mild or any thoughts at all or comments on the subject?

SPEAKER_03 30:09

EDTA has its place in my practice as a biofilm breaker in nasal passages when it comes to markons. And ALA has a place in my practice as a really potent antioxidant that recycles other antioxidants. Obviously, if mercury's on board, I'm very cautious. Um I have a very low and slow approach to heavy metal displacement enchilation, really competitive displacement. Um, I think that there needs to be a lot of weight placed in client comfort throughout a protocol because there's such a cost to mobilizing in terms of displacement, first of all, into lipophilic tissue because you're not able to conjugate it and excrete it. But also the oxidative stress is significant and people are living at the edge of their nervous system. So mobilizing heavy metals is often not fun. There's very few individuals that can do it asymptomatically. Um so no, those trilators don't have a place in my practice, but I'm also not experienced enough to really comment on them positively or negatively. I'm sure they've influenced some individuals' life, but they don't align with my approach.

unknown 31:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

And I think again, I don't think it's anything singular in a system. Exactly like you said, like once immunological when there is immunological pressure or there is T1 dominance, T2 dominance, like we we understand that mycotoxins create a certain dominance in the in the immunological system that allows for viruses to proliferate, which is why we have EBV reactivation, cytomegalys virus, you know, hurt HSV reactivation, etc. So where there is immunological pressure or toxin pressure, which we say could be part of the same load, a lot grows there. A lot, a lot happens in that environment, you know. So um, where there's not immune surveillance and recognition of self versus invader. So I'm saying this because it's I don't always go for a singular pathogen or a singular toxin. Like I'm rooted in functional blood chemistry before anything else. And so reading bloods just gives me an understanding of where a system is at and how it's maintaining homeostasis or not maintaining homeostasis, and often by for okay, restoring glycemic sensitivity, you know, insulin sensitivity, um, by restoring biosynthesis, conjugation, gallbladder emptying, minimizing inflammation in the gut and ensuring a certain degree of digestion of hydrochloric acid, there's a lot that comes right, you know, alongside bringing in an appropriate binder. Um, there's a lot that comes right in a system like that just by addressing the terrain.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah, absolutely. It's I think it's it's in my mind sometimes, because a lot of people that I talk to that are taking these synthetic chelators are taking them, assuming that they're going in and just ripping out all the metals out of their body automatically. And I think a lot of times I don't even think that's happening because I think when you are first exposed to a toxic element, the body hasn't settled and the body wants to get rid of it. But I think after 20 years of settling, a synthetic chelator and other detox agents are gonna act much differently than if you just were just exposed because your body is, you know, is the body is more focused on short-term survival over long-term thrival. I always like to say.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Right.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

So if mercury has settled in your brain cells, the I don't think you're you're gonna be able to just rip those out. I I think for most people, the key is the body has to let go on its own and it has to be comfortable enough to do so to get it out. So I think like detox is more of a process opposed to you know a supplement or like a protocol. It's like it's getting your body to do the work for you. I think I think you're either detoxing or you're accumulating. Does that make sense? Does that does that what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_03 33:57

I do think about, I mean, I what do I think about if the body is detoxing or if the body is accumulating, or is the body actually able to just meet the load that it faces on a daily basis? I mean, it really depends on the inputs that you're putting into a system. Um, but what was coming to me listening to you was membranes. Um, this notion that we can go in with these cheat layers and rip heavy metals out of our system without acknowledging our cellular membrane health, I think will increasingly get turned on its head because the membrane is so sensitive and responsible for the flux of waste and nutrients. Um, so I would suggest heavily that anyone that's doing that work minds their membrane health significantly. But I'm uh increasingly a believer not in fasting, although I know that's really applicable to certain individuals for autophagy, mitophagy, and their system doesn't register it as a stressor or hermetic stressor, um, but intelligent caloric deprivation to preserve energy for the body to do its cleanup processes. Um, but yeah, I mean, I'm I'm picking up what you're putting down.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Perfect, perfect. All right, so you mentioned the functional blood chemistry. When you see, because I know and people are starting to kind of pick up on kind of some of the cholesterol uh information out there, but what would you if so, for example, you know, a number of years ago, I went into uh a doctor, so like 10 years ago, and my blood report showed a total blood cholesterol level of 102. Wow. And and the doctor said, Oh, this is great. And I'm like, you know, at this point, I'm like 24. And my doctor's like, oh, this is fantastic. This means you have a low risk of heart, heart, uh, low risk of heart disease. Like, what would your response be to that?

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Well, my question for you first is how did you get in that situation? I've never seen 102 in serum.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Yeah, I mean, I had I've had, I mean, I was on antibiotics for the first five years of my life, traumatic birth experience, and then uh, you know, vaccine injury kind of triggered some autoimmunity. Um, yeah, so pretty chronic had some pretty chronic uh challenges myself. So that's the first time I ever started testing, it was 102. So I don't even know what, and that was after I was probably a little bit better off than I was previous. So I don't know what it was, but um, yeah, for years. So yeah, it wasn't it wasn't great. There was a lot of hormone and dysfunction. And I mean, obviously, I knew something was wrong. I knew that wasn't good, but that was just their answer. So, yeah, what what what um what do you think about low cholesterol versus high?

SPEAKER_03 36:31

I'm more concerned about low cholesterol than I am high cholesterol. I mean, I think we have to be careful because the functional health space swings a lot. And obviously, saturated fat and tallow and ghee and butter are largely in favor at the moment. And well, I'm always going to choose those over something like margarine. Um I still believe like monounsaturated fats absolutely have their place. Um, so I'm more concerned about low cholesterol than I am high cholesterol, because cholesterol is the building block of sex and steroidal hormones, um, cellular membranes. It's necessary for bile acid synthesis and low cholesterol. You know, I often say, and it was actually my mentor that put me onto Ziotchart, she was like, the closer someone gets to 150, the more you need to be on suicide watch. Because cholesterol is necessary for the synthesis of sex and steroidal hormones, which helps maintain our mood, the way we feel. So, um, but there's typically, you know, you've got to understand the oxidative burn there. Unless someone was on a strictly vegan diet and excessively binding, you'd question, well, how did you get into this situation? You know? Um, so no, I mean, I'm absolutely concerned about low cholesterol. Um, I mean, I'm looking at a whole lipid panel and I'm looking at apolipoproteins and oxidized LDL because obviously in this space, low density lipoproteins, oxidative stress, apolipoprotein B are the greatest concerns. Um, I mean, cholesterol sitting close to 220 is a great sweet spot. Um, but low density lipoproteins that are oxidized, you know, this is where we're going to see um potentially arterial damage. But for me, it's the smoke, it's not the fire. I see it routinely in labs, and it just gives me inquit, you know, there's a lot of lab markers that it can indicate oxidative stress, which is um, I think in a nutshell we could say pertains to redox balance, but essentially your body's exposure to oxidative, to noxious agents that cause oxidative stress in the system versus its antioxidant capacity to mitigate that. Um and lipids can absolutely represent that. So very low cholesterol tends to correspond with this excessive oxidation in a system. And then we just get inquisitive, what's going on in the system? You know, what is it actually dealing with? And how do we need to intervene? But certainly cholesterol at 102 would be alarming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Yeah, yeah, perfect. Well, thank you for that. And and I, you know, and I was taking, I was actually taking cholesterol pills at one point from a lab in Kansas, Great Plains. They were selling like uh sheep's wool. Anyway, I was not, I was not vegan. Yeah, it was just it was severe dysfunction. But anyway, um, so to your approach. So, for first of all, you you see people uh clients virtually, right? So you coach people, and what kind of is your approach? What does it look look like? Like what kind of tests are you running? How long can people expect to you know work with you? What kind of commitment? Like just tell us a little bit about uh what you do from the consumer base, like from the client basis, and then we'll get into the practitioner side.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Yeah, I mean, I work one-on-one with clients around the world in the Deep Health Reset, which is a five-month program where I'm working with clients for five months. We're running certainly functional blood chemistry and HTMA tests, and then when necessary, which I don't take pleasure in saying is often necessary, but stool tests and mycotoxin tests, because yeah, the nature of my clinical work is complex. It's often people that are quite far down the mountain, and um they've tried a lot of things and haven't been able to put it all together because there's a lot of silo work in this space, like assessing one aspect of health. And like any practitioner, I'm an evolution. Of course, I'm an evolution, and my practice today is different than it was three years ago. So I certainly use functional blood chemistry and HTMA as the base when I meet a client because I really like to meet a client. I mean, I love data, but I really like to meet the human being and gauge their human experience and what they're dealing with because data is phenomenal. You know, you have certain individuals that have oscillating symptoms, they don't know what's going on, they lift the lid on their gut health, and it's like, okay, here we go. We have some answers. But equally, it can um, you know, we I think we all know the double-edged sword of data and functional testing. And um, so I meet with clients in the deep health reset. And as a terrain-based practitioner, I like to begin with a large overview of the system and gauge where there is homeostasis, where there is not homeostasis. Every system is linking to the other lipids, glycemic stability, hepatobiliary health, immunological load. Um, so I'm using bloods to meet a person in the beginning, but I'm also using myself and my brain to meet that person. And, you know, really I'm a deep believer in reducing friction in the system and planting a seed in the client's mind that the body can, the body will and it can find homeostasis again without intervening at every single level in every single way. So I meet people physiologically, like I said, I have a really deep meditative and yoga practice, and I have most of my life. And I'm always encouraging nervous system regulation and trying to meet people as regulated as I can be, because I believe that is such a big part of healing, actually. Um but equally, you know, when I look back on my own health journey, um, sometimes knowledge actually regulates a trauma brain, which does develop with chronic illness that we feel symptomology and we go into looping thoughts and catastrophic thinking. And maybe not every trauma brain has this, but a lot of trauma brains, if they can understand why their body is doing what they're doing versus it being everything, they can actually reconnect their prefrontal cortex and their amygdala. So I think there is like an aspect of healing the brain in understanding biochemistry.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yeah, perfect. So for and honestly, I mean, a functional blood panel and HTMA as a baseline, that's that's not very, that's just two tests. Like a lot of these places you go to, they're like, oh, we need these 10 tests for $10,000 or whatever. I mean, I I like the simplicity of it and then building upon it if needed with some of the others. But is is there a certain type of person that you really like working with, or is it kind of anyone that's you know, what's what's the kind of your ideal client?

SPEAKER_03 42:50

I love people. Um I love people. So I have a full gamut because I work with pediatrics, men, women of all ages. Um I have a passion for nervous system regulation. Um I'm I meet people where they are, and that ties into my own development as a human being to put myself aside and meet people where they are. So I wouldn't say I necessarily have uh an ideal client. There's and I acknowledge when things are out of my scope of practice, such as epilepsy and rougher out when necessary. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

But you and I know you you mentioned like uh MCAST before. So do you do you work with a lot of people that because there's so many people now that are you know becoming so sensitive to things and you know, MCAS, whether it's MCAST or or something else, are you working with a lot of those individuals that have been, you know, maybe another practitioner has said they're too sick to detox or you know, that kind of uh classification of individual.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, or a lot of people that a lot of females that you know had significant hormonal symptoms most of their life and then realized it was histamine or they've been dealing with intermittent, you know, insubstantial anxiety, and they realized it was histamine. And so I mean dysopinomia is I would say pot's physiology. Is more obvious, but certainly post the big C, there's a strong uptick in dysautonomia and um and MCAS in general. But yes, I'm certainly working with these individuals.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Yeah, perfect. And then one more thing, I just wanted to, well, first before I get into this, where if people are interested in working with you, um, where do they find you? How do they get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_03 44:36

On Instagram, Holistic Health by Sheila.

unknown 44:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:39

Okay. And then my website is linked there, Healthy Momentum Clinic. But just remember Holistic Health by Sheila. You can find me on Instagram and the Practitioner Blueprint is my clinical course, functional blood chemistry, but it's not just about reading bloods. I mean, I have endeavored to pass on all of my knowledge of biochemistry. And that's vast. You know, yes, we can absolutely use labs to get a map of the system and gauge where an individual is at, especially if there's trends in functional blood chemistry. It's really interesting. Um, but it's really the biochemistry behind why the body is doing what it's doing and understanding when you just sit back and watch and you're just like, okay, is this, is this temporary? What is the body doing? Is this hereditary hemochromatosis, or is this just ferritin acting as an acute phase reactant? And we just sit back, we work on the inflammation, we watch that anemia panel, correct? And so it's like the biochemistry behind bloods is really important because otherwise we can just intervene at every step. And also really recognizing the transient nature of a system, you know, that things are shifting often. Um, and so there has to be alignment between that client's lived experience and then what you're treating as well. Um, so yes, that's the practitioner blueprint, which is also discussed on Instagram. And the next live cohort is in September. Um, I do teach the course live. It's got a wonderful, vibrant community. There's over 400 practitioners, it's designed for practitioners and health enthusiasts. Um, so there's over over 400 individuals in the course, and the next live cohort is in September, and I'm constantly refining the course. I hope maybe you're picking up what I put down that I'm I'm humbled by my work. I feel blessed to do what I do, and I want to continually serve, which I think necessitates that I'm really always in evolution as a practitioner and as a human.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

So yeah. So no, that's so okay. So this is for practitioners, but you said also health enthusiasts. So is it is it um so for someone that just has you know no medical training, they're gonna be able to understand some of the concepts. Like, is it what kind of what level of it, like what level is it at?

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Um I have many individuals that are on chronic healing journeys that want to put the pieces together themselves. They want sovereignty and they step in and they utilize the community, they utilize the PDFs, the flowcharts, the live QA's, and they enroll in the cohort a few months early to really dive into the module so that by the time we have our calls, they're there with their case studies, they're there with their point-end questions. Biochemistry takes time to learn. I've done my best to meet several levels within the course. Um, and I'm always, you know, I'm receiving a lot of positive feedback, but I'm also receiving feedback for refinement. And I definitely take that on. But there's a lot of individuals that are on healing journeys. You know, I would say 35% of the course is health enthusiasts that are just wanting sovereignty and to basically care for themselves. So it's catered for them as well.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

That's fantastic. And that's the practitioner blueprint, and there's information on that on Holistic Health by Sheila Instagram as well.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Yeah, and my LinkTree bio, you can find that.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

All right, something for everyone. No, this is great. This is great information. I love that you're doing that because I mean, just the and I'm on maybe Instagram, maybe 30 seconds a day if I if I'm on there. Yeah, someone that manages my page. But you know, your your feed is what always pops up. It's like the number one thing that pops up in my feed. So I just I used to glance at yours and then I'm off after 30 seconds. But great content. So you definitely everyone check it out. It's not, you know, it's it's actually good stuff, it's not just yeah, it's good, it's good stuff, people check it out.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

So yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

No, appreciate that. All right. So to close out, we've got a couple more in a minutes here. Well, first of all, is there anything else that you that we didn't cover that you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_03 48:18

Anything you I'm curious, is Zocharge is the formulation of it static? Is it an evolution? And I saw you had a new aloe vera product, correct?

SPEAKER_00 48:28

Yeah, so it's so it's aloferrin. It's actually a dairy-free lactoferin mixed with um an Ace Manon extract from aloe vera.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

And so so actually, my first supplement company, Glyco Life Sciences, which I've started 10 years ago, the first ingredient was this aloe vera, biolo.

SPEAKER_04 48:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

So it's and I've met the PhD doctor who formulated it uh from Mexico, but um, the company is Lauren Labs. They developed this really incredible aloe vera product. So I wanted to get that in somehow because I hadn't incorporated it into this line. But basically, the product is really more of a lactoferin product because I've sold, I used to sell lactoferin, bovine lactoferrin, yeah, which is like iron binding glycoprotein for people that don't know till iron regulation. But now they have a dairy-free version that's made through precision fermentation, just uh that's only a few years old. So basically I have that, and then I just cut it with the bio so I didn't have to put a filler in. And then I have a straight dairy-free lactoferin as well that doesn't have the the aloe. But yeah, really excited about that one.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

Um is it a therapeutic amount of the aloe vera? Because it's I am saying, go ahead. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

Yeah, it it really depends. I mean, the therapeutic dose in my so my first company literally the entire concept was therapeutic dose polysaccharide extracts. So when it comes to polysaccharide extracts like ace uh Ace Manin from aloe vera or a lot of the Minister mushrooms, generally very high, sometimes very high doses are needed uh to get the therapeutic effects dependent on the condition. So with the aloe vera, kind of the range is like 160 milligrams upwards. Um, this one is gonna have 107, 100, 150 milligrams. So it's right at the 160 basically. So I wouldn't say it's really not a straight aloe vera. I would do two caps a day. If you're trying to get the aloe vera benefits and you need a little bit more of a therapeutic dose, I would do two a day. And more of the lactoferin is also good. It's just that that lactoferin right now is a very expensive ingredient. It's over four times the price of the bovine lactoferin, and bovine lactoferin is also an expensive ingredient. So we didn't want to put a super high dose and charge you know 130 bucks for the product, we wanted to keep it a little bit lower. So I would do two capsules a day for people that are kind of starting off, and then you can do one cap if you you know want to maintain on it. But I do if anyone is just looking for that ingredient on its own, it's called Biolo, which stands for bioavailable aloe, and it's from Lauren's Labs. Lauren Labs doesn't sell to the consumer, they just sell the bulk powder to manufacturers, but you can look for that ingredient uh if people just want a good aloe product.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

Yeah, interesting. Well, I look forward to trying it. I love lackarin and I love aloe vera, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

So yeah, and we've got a bunch of other stuff too. I like a bunch of fun stuff, but we don't have to get into any of that. So um I was gonna ask you just a couple, just to round it off, we'll do like one question, maybe or two. Are there any trends uh or is there is there any content that you're seeing on social media or online anywhere that I guess we can say is annoying you, or you think people should be a little bit more there's probably a lot. People are there are there any trends? Are there trends that people maybe should uh take a second look at before they dive right into what some of these influencers are telling them to do in the health space?

SPEAKER_03 51:40

I exercise caution around anything dogmatic, and it's not that I haven't been dogmatic in my life, but I think as we get older we recognize that nothing is black and white, nothing is dogmatic, and nothing is the body does not work in silos. So I would say an itch of mine is the reductionism to mitochondrial health. And while I absolutely prioritize cellular membranes and mitochondrial signaling, mitochondria, the Krebs cycle gets immensely burdened when enzymatic function is not at par. And while I recognize like the health space, sometimes we do need reductionism because it's overwhelming. So people are like, okay, I'm just gonna do that, and that's gonna work. But you know, I think that all of us, and I'm speaking for myself collectively, we need to be mindful around dogmatism and insinuating that there is one singular thing because it has been the one singular thing that has been influential on our own healing journey. And it's very easy to do that as a practitioner. What worked for you will work for others. It's not the case. And I think it's a disservice as well. I think we should all have a disclaimer that, you know, this is our our scope of practice, this is our niche, this is what we specialize on, this is what we can pass, but absolutely there is, you know, you have to there's there's there's another wealth of knowledge out there. So I think it's just the reductionism to mitochondria as the sole um emphasis of health to focus on that I find in disservice to the individual.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

No, great, great answer. Great answer. There's there's a lot of a lot of these Instagram influencers and and supplement companies, they're marketers first. And they they you know they follow key trends and mitochondrial health and things are are are trendy words. So sometimes, yeah, we'll leave it at that. That's a great answer. I love that answer. So this was great. Um, we're at the time, but I I really appreciate you coming on today. Really good episode, a lot of great information. And once again, everyone, holistic health by Sheila on Instagram. There's the practitioner blueprint. Uh, there's the there's the you're just working with with Sheila with clients one on one, and I'm an educator in my course.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

Those are the two ways to work with me. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Perfect. All right. Well, this is fantastic. And uh thank you so much for your time and I look forward to uh staying in touch.

SPEAKER_04 54:05

Absolutely. Thank you, Jeff. Bye everyone.