SPEAKER_02 0:15

Welcome back to another episode of the Detox Experience. I am Jeff White, and today I am very thankful to be joined by Dr. Aaron Holston Singh, Naturopathic Doctor. And you've been in practice for a long time, since, you know, before the year 2000. So you've been in this uh arena for a long time. You've got a lot of knowledge and wisdom to impart. So I'm super excited. But uh welcome to the show and uh thanks for taking time today.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Lots of fun.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Yeah. So we're gonna get into some topics we probably haven't covered before, some radionics and you know, the emotional aspect of detox and all sorts of good stuff. But why don't you just kind of start off by telling people, you know, out of all the professions and all the things you could have done with your life, like why are you, why did you choose this, this, uh, this industry?

SPEAKER_01 0:57

There was literally no other profession I think I could have chosen. I did um initially when I was in college, I was an anthropology major until I realized I didn't want to study the cultural perspective and use of traditional medicine. I actually wanted to study the traditional medicine myself. And I do make it a point of calling what we do traditional medicine, and a lot of people call conventional medicine traditional medicine. I'm like, that hasn't really been around as long as what you're doing when you're looking at listening to the body, which has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. So I make a big stink about people calling the natural realm traditional medicine, but I really don't think there could have been another path for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

I don't know what it would have been because I started, I mean, even having, you know, been in naturopathic medicine since the early 90s, I was really in natural medicine and some of the um ways of assessing illness in the body since I was in my mid-teens. I went to see a um kinesiologist and a guy who practiced iridology, which is looking at the map of the whole body in the iris from the time I was 15 or 16 years old. And so it's, you know, I've been following the breadcrumb, so to speak, for four decades now.

unknown 2:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

Wow. Wow. So how how would you say kind of your perspective has shifted over the over the decades? I mean, are you utilizing the same approach you did when you first started, or is your practice completely different than it would have looked like 30 years ago?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Well, it's definitely very different than what it looked like 30 years ago. And my perspective in some ways has really remained the same. And in other ways, I think it has shifted a lot. And so to speak to how it has shifted, I think it's become a lot more diverse and a lot more open, a lot broader than it was. You know, in the beginning, it was like, why is it better to use an unrefined natural agent like a plant or an herb than it is to use the synthesized alkaloids or components that turn into turn it into a pharmaceutical? So that was kind of like the beginning of like thinking about why natural medicine, herbal medicine, homeopathy, which is not the same thing as herbal medicine, to not conflate the two, that was more of what I got interested in in the beginning. And then over the years, when you actually start working with patients and you see how incredibly complex human beings are and all of the various things that can work magically and simplistically versus the things that like are really difficult and hard to get them to change. So, I mean, I can speak to some examples there, but humans are just a very vast subject matter, like the human body in and of itself, and the fact that we have, you know, such a profound impact of our psyche on the body that you know, I really don't even see those two things as being separate now, the way that you know people talk about it, it's like it's really one and the same for me in a very real way that I find I have to explain and describe and educate people about it's changed a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

So do you think since you started, do you think kind of some of the need like the treatment needs have changed with you know the increase in environmental toxicity and things, or do you think they're fundamentally kind of the same issues that are being addressed now?

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Well, I definitely think that it has gotten far, far worse. I mean, that's just from knowing about the increase of the chemical burden in the environment and reading about it, but also seeing the kinds of people that are incredibly ill because of a complete dismantling of what I would call their barriers. So their protective barriers, the microbiome, the gut, both from chemicals on our food in our environment, as well as pharmaceutical agents that have been compounded over the last 40 years. So looking at glyphosate in the environment, which I'm sure you've talked about many times, versus the advent of antibiotics and the use of more and more and stronger and stronger and more broad spectrum antibiotics, and then you know, compounding that with people have no idea. They think, oh, I haven't had antibiotics very much, or they think because they haven't had antibiotics for 20 years, that it's not an issue without realizing that having, you know, two, three, four, five, 10 plus courses of antibiotics before the age 15 is a massive issue. People have no idea.

unknown 5:49

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

I'm gonna So that's gotten a lot, gotten to be a lot worse, you know, as the decades have gone by.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Yeah, I'm gonna come back to that one in a second. I always we do talk about glyphosate quite a bit because I'm living right now in Iowa, and you know, it's essentially the glyphosate capital of the world, as I I would say. And you know, I always, I always I always have a fun time talking about corn sweat because the Iowa is the sixth most humid state in the country. And you know, number one is Alaska, then you have Florida, then you got a couple others, Hawaii, and then it's like randomly it's Iowa. The other states, it's because there's a lot of surrounding you know, bodies of water, oceans and lakes, and etc. With Iowa, it's because of the corn sweat. So there's so much, so many crops, corns, corn and soy and these other crops, they absorb the water and they literally sweat it out, and that is what produces the humidity. So later in the year, as the corn grows, the humidity level rises. And you know, I ride my bike pretty much every night, and I'm literally just riding right through the cornfields, just miles of it's it's very scenic, but it at before the sunset, you can see a lot of times this this haze, like you can literally see the corn sweat. And the concern here is you know, I have this joke, and I I gave my uh buddy this bumper sticker he has on his truck, it says beware of corn sweat, and probably no one knows what that is. I'm I cut it.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Right. I have never heard that term, just made it.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

We've got this kind of in inside joke, but it's it's you know, you have all these herbicides and pesticides and vitamin, these things being poured onto the crops, and to my understanding, Roundup is actually water soluble. So I have to imagine that you're getting, you know, in this humidity, kind of suspended in the air, you have some of these toxic elements like the Roundup that we're breathing in and of course eating in in the non-organic foods and in the organic foods, right? So there's just all of this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Anyway, I always I always like to, I do talk about corn sweat corn sweat quite a bit because it's it's interesting, but well, it's very confusing to people, especially because we we have a lot of patients who believe that they eat 100% organic, and then you go testing their urine and they have glyphosate in their urine, and then they can't understand how that's possible. Well, it's because of the fact that it is water soluble and it's gonna run off to neighboring farms and fields, it's in the water table, it's absorbed by grains and beans, and people eat grains and beans, right? So they're gonna have it's the the amount of glyphosate globally that's put on our food systems, and you know, eating any food from any of the countries that allow it, it's you know, even living in a country that doesn't allow it, they'll still have glyphosate in their urine, yeah, to some degree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

All right. So yeah, that's and I think a lot of my listeners are understand that at this point because we've kind of hit that one. So antibiotics though, I so antibiotics, you mentioned that, and and kind of even if someone's had it 15, 20 years ago, it can still be causing problems. Do you think with a round or multiple rounds of antibiotics, especially at a young age, do a lot of those, those, um is it does the body recover or does the body not fully recover from that in terms of a micro micropopulation?

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Well, I think it's very difficult to fully rebuild the depth and the diversity in the microbiome after any number of courses. You can improve it, you can take probiotics, but really getting that rich diversity, it's it's very difficult to know that it can fully go back to what it was. And even looking at, you know, people my age, you know, I'm 56 and people who started to get exposed to antibiotics and glyphosate at the same time in the 70s, they don't really even know what was the diversity of the microbiome and the microbiota in their system prior to having taken antibiotics because nobody was ever testing it. So I think there's a lot of things that are unknown about that. I would also say that I think that's an area where there's a lot of unexplored possibilities around what can be done to facilitate the healing of those things. One of them I think is more on an emotional level level, and the other is more on an energetic or what you could call informational level, meaning in some people's cases, they're going to be withholding the same patterns of illness that they had when they were a child when the antibiotics were given because of the emotional circumstances or traumas that were occurring in their life at that time that did not get healed. So that's like a way of holding information. And then in the other circumstance, you can have individuals who have been not well since, you know, that's kind of a phrase that we use in natural medicine, you know, not been well since X, not been well since they took a course of CIPRO 30 years ago. They've felt fatigued. And that's something that could be addressed through varying homeopathic remedies of those particular pharmaceutical agents. And, you know, giving that energetic imprint of information helps the body then to know this is the thing that I need to understand how to recognize. The body wasn't able to recognize it initially because it's a synthetic, non-natural substance that overwhelms the detox pathways of the system simply because we don't make enzymes to detoxify those particular chemical agents.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, perfect. All right, so let's let's let's go into homeopathy. You mentioned it, and you mentioned earlier homeopathy is not herbals, right? Because I understand what you're saying, because a lot of people are like, oh yeah, I'm into the you know homeopathic. And they just like use this like blanket term as like anything natural, which it's not. So can can you kind of explain what is homeopathy?

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Sure, sure. So so herbal medicine is botanical medicine, means coming from a plant source. So that's either root, leaves, flower, the whole plant, all different kinds of ways that you can make herbal or botanical medicines. Homeopathy does make remedies, we call them specifically remedies out of botanicals, but homeopathic medicine can also be made out of minerals, can be made out of um actually animals or secretions from animals or even secretions from humans, meaning like mucus or pus or you know, some really unsavory types of things like that, um, can also be made out of more um, what shall we say, kind of esoteric types of energetics, like even moonlight or radiation. These are also things that you can make a homeopathic medicine out of because homeopathy is explicitly capturing the energetic imprint or the essence of a substance. And, you know, while that seems a little far-fetched for some people who are really only capable of thinking about things in the molecular pharmaceutical realm, what we're really talking about is the fact that everything in existence is information. And what we mean by information, it's like a formation of structured either water or ionic charge or something in the quantum realm that then is captured by a medium such as water and alcohol, or some type of um more like mineral or sugar agent that's capturing something that can't be dissolved in water.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Yeah. Okay, so essentially it's information.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

It's information, it's an energetic imprint, and you know, it's one of those things, it's not to see it is to believe it, it's to experience it is to know that it's real, I would say, because the people who use these medicines generally have seen, witnessed, or personally experienced something quite profound when they've tried using homeopathy.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

And I know a lot of people that that I know that have used homeopathy, myself included, it was been for, you know, you go to a practitioner and they say, um, you know, they do like electrodal screening or muscle testing or even lab testing and say, okay, we've identified, you know, Epstein bar virus and Lyme and all the other stuff that always shows up. And then they give you a homeopathic remedy for that, which is essentially, I think, the the energetic signature or the information of that microbe. And then that stimulates your body to respond. Is that is that correct? Or that's a little bit different from what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Well, I I understand what you're talking about, and I know that that's a really common thing that's done in all of the different systems of energy medicine that I have learned and been exposed to. But I would say that my thinking about that has really evolved and changed a lot just in the last 10 years, and that has to do with working a lot more in lots of different things. So um cancer work, um, consciousness work, looking at more, you know, having more time and experience under my belt around the way that people's emotional and traumatic burdens make them ill. And just even this concept of what you maybe you've heard the terms before, infection versus outfection. Is that something that's familiar?

SPEAKER_02 15:29

No, actually, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

So, so the world at large, there's always you've probably heard about the difference between germ theory and terrain theory. Yeah. That's probably familiar. So it's kind of really an extension of that. And thinking about that, talking about that, educating people about that in our clinic is really a metabolic terrain-centric treatment center, if you will. We work a lot with oncology and cancer patients, but I've come to explain the difference between germ theory and terrain theory in that the germ is really, you know, living in the terrain and is really emerging out of the terrain. So, in that vein, I myself was diagnosed with Lyme disease back in 2009. And I was told I could not have children or my children will be ill. And I was had to look at this woman and think, uh, no, I'm 39 years old and I'm not going to not have children because of what you're saying, because I knew enough about the terrain from my original mentor, maybe rest in peace, Dr. Girard Gagnon, who was a French medical doctor. The body expresses the organisms, the microorganisms, based on what's in the soil. And so, in that sense, what I've really come to understand through looking at consciousness work and the kinds of illnesses that come about in relationship to the different psychological traumas and shocks that a person undergoes is that when someone resolves an issue, they can have an acute illness. We call it outfection because what's really happening is there's been an upshift in the person's conscious awareness. And therefore the microbiome upshifts and goes around and cleans up what needs to be cleared. So, in that sense, when somebody has struck throat, it's not the streptococcus that's causing the symptoms of inflammation and pus. It's actually the streptococcus that is the rescue crew that comes in and cleans up the conflict of the person not having had a voice in a certain situation, for example. There certainly are other symbolic psychological reasons why somebody would have inflammation in the throat. But the idea is that the germ is coming from the field itself and the microbiome and the microbiota in the system shape shift based on what's happening. And then it's really a discharge or an outfection.

unknown 17:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

No, that's that's a perfect explanation. We've we've talked about it a number of times, just different guests, you know, a lot of them are are, you know, definitely agreeing with that. And um, that's kind of what we focus on too zeolite labs. It's more, we don't really have any antimicrobials. It's um, you know, it's binding zeocharge. We've got the lactoferin now as well and stuff, but it's it's not like direct, direct killers. So we we do talk about it. But that's really interesting. So when you're talking about these remedies, they're not what, because that's just you know, when I think about homeopathic remedies, I'm thinking about those, like direct, you know, frequencies to go after microbes.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Yeah. So I think where it might end up being a little bit like more, there's almost like there's a more of an evolved version of addressing those kinds of issues, because instead of trying to go after each individual microbe, and even when you talk about Lyme disease, you're talking about an umpteen number of co-infections that you have to do incredibly detailed and expensive testing to understand, you know, do you have Babesia, do you have borrelia, do you have, you know, all of these different um, you know, mycoplasma, this and that? And the way I would think about it is if my immune function and my ability to discharge and detoxify and eliminate what is not me is intact, I don't have to worry about the EBV versus the CMV versus this and that and other agent that I have to find a specific frequency to match or a specific herb to try to penetrate. And in my experience, you know, this is also something I would say I've learned in time because it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any bit of difference to give somebody an antiviral herbal tincture. If anything, what those herbs are doing are assisting the person to be able to discharge and detoxify and upshift their microbiome than it is being anti-anything.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Okay, that's great. No, that's great information. All right, so basically when you get healthier, the train is optimized or getting better, and then the microbes lose their grip. And so instead of directly going after them, it's just using homeopathy and other methods to get healthy. So then those things don't have a stronghold anymore.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah, I would say it's really about transmuting the individual into greater and greater degrees of love light so that you're not the person is not holding anger, resentment, sadness, grief. They're experiencing their emotions, they're developing greater awareness about what they're experiencing. And that in and of itself is what facilitates the healing and the whole health to return.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Yeah. All right. So let's talk about. Well, first let's talk about radionics, which I guess we're kind of talking about, I think, but maybe explain the radionics. You mentioned that book, and then we'll get into the emotional aspect following that. So what is what is radionics and how does that apply uh to what we're talking about here?

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Well, I think radionics is really uh stepping into the realm of being able to assess and address issues in an individual that are both energetic near and far. So it's using consciousness and it's using energetic techniques such as pendulum dousing. Um, you know, kidnesiology is certainly something that's probably doing the same thing of testing somebody both present as well as testing somebody at a distance or, you know, a type of remote healing. But radionics has been around for probably about 120 years or so. And when I was in naturopathic school in the 90s, it was really kind of hush-hush. Like, you know, I think naturopathic medicine was really looking to be more legitimate at that point in time. And so it was something that nobody wanted to talk about because it was a little bit too woo-woo, if you will. And there has definitely been a fair amount of suppression and um, you know, official channels going after people who are practicing these more, you know, out of the just basic natural therapies. Box is it's one of the things that's gotten attacked in you know in the past. So I don't know if that's anything you've ever talked about. Um and and there because of that, the people who are using this method are not so open in talking about it. So it's really something people don't know very much about, and it's very much stepping into that realm of energy medicine, consciousness, consciousness medicine, things that the general public doesn't understand very well because it's not really part of the mainstream scientific understanding, even though the science is very much emerging in a very solid and concrete way.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

Yeah. Okay, that's good. Well, good little intro. I guess people can people can kind of try to dig into that a little bit deeper if they want to.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Um it's it's probably a harder topic to find information on.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Um okay, I wanted to ask, and we're gonna get into the emotions for sure, probably gonna focus on that for a good chunk of time, but back to the kind of the remedies and the homeopathy. So I've got I've got a what's it called? I've got a couple. I've got like the the remedy maker from Equal Research and the Guardian, maybe the Guardian 4 or something, and then we've got a Metatron hunter. So these are, you know, kind of these, they're they're I think they're kind of marketed as these bioenergetic devices. That's kind of like the term of the day, I think. Um probably kind of like um, you know, functional medicine is the term for what a lot of people were doing a long time ago, and then they tried to make it into like this, like they kind of like tried to combine like the traditional medicine with the, I don't know, but it bioenergetics, I that's what I guess these are marketers. So what I can do, or what I what I have done, what I do do, you can let me know your thoughts, is I'll take um, you know, a saliva sample or a urine sample or some sort of sample from my body, and then I'll put it on the input plate, and then I'll take uh you know a drop or a little bit of you know water or alcohol base or whatever, and then I'll copy the signature or hit the make button. Um so it'll basically make um, it's my understanding, it's making a digital remedy uh from my own sample and putting it into that thing. Is that kind of that that's that's legit? That's kind of what we're doing.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

I think that's definitely in the same ballpark. Um, I think there's probably a lot of different emerging technologies that are using the concept of frequency medicine is another, you know, word you could use for the same thing. And it's it it again, it's about seeing is believing is not so much the thing as more experiencing is is believing and and seeing something happen. And you know, whether it's a remedy that you're actually taking or an herb or a supplement that you're actually taking that causes the difference, it's really more gonna become more and more accepted as more and more people have experiences, direct experiences.

unknown 25:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Okay, yeah, just one interested on your opinion. One more question on this, because I think people will be interested. There's kind of this debate with like Rife, Dr. Rif, right back in I think the 1920s and his technology, which uh, you know, to some extent was used for for like neutralizing cancer cells. And I think at this point, a lot of people think, or maybe maybe the kind of the can the consensus, and maybe it's not the consensus, but I think a lot of people think that it's using these resonant frequencies that are resonating at the frequency of the cancer cell or the pathogenic cell or whatever it is, and it's destroying that cell, which is resulting in the benefit. But then I've also heard heard that the actual uh frequencies that were used were actually just terrain-based kind of optimal optimizing frequencies that gave the body the upper hand and then that this the uh conditions were going away. Do you have any any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Well, as I've heard about it, it's the former, but I actually think the latter where you're giving the optimal frequencies is going to have the greatest impact. So we we actually recently acquired a therapeutic device from a fellow who was working with Rife and the Rife technology for a number of years and started making a overarching coherence device that is emitting to counter-rotating plasma vortices. It's called the Therapy. And so what it's really doing is it's you're creating a field of coherent information. So when I say coherent information, I'm speaking very explicitly about the technical use of those terms, where coherent means the information, the rotating vortex is giving a structuration to the subatomic particles that are in that field. And in doing so, when a person lies in that field, it is then reorganizing the subatomic or more energetic components of that person's body. So that's coherence, and then we go back to the information, which is you know, the that information meaning inform, before something is actually in physical dense matter, it's coming into the density through the realm of the subatomic. We're talking plasma physics, right? That's literally how this machine is made. And it's a cohesive, like holistic therapy versus let me just try to give you specific frequencies to either cancel out those in you one by one, or giving you some specific frequencies to try to augment the good in you. This is is a it's a whole coherent field that a person lies in. So, you know, people can go on our website and learn more about that and you know, even see some of the most amazing parts about it is that you can take a fluorescent light bulb and put it in the field and it'll light up. But then when you put it directly in between the two different tubes, the two tubes at the end of the table of the field the person lies in, the light bulb will go out when you're right in the middle of it because those those waves are actually conjugating and canceling each other out. And so there's nothing there to light up the light bulb. So that's you know, proof in the pudding, if you will, that you can see with your with your eyes.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Yeah, no, that's really interesting. Yeah, I've heard really good things about the Therapy um from people that have them, and yeah, I think it's pretty interesting. It almost sounds a little bit like like the Likowski multi wave oscillator technology, where you're just getting it's not, it's because like with with Rife and a lot of these, like the Pearl Rife and all this stuff, it's like you're just targeting very specific things. And I think one of the issues there is we always assume we know what's wrong with us, and we usually are way off.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Like exactly, yes.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

But like, oh yeah, I know I got a test, and you know, I it's candida. That is my like that's all the only problem, or it's Lyme or whatever. But you there's there's so many different issues, and when you come at it as this like single-targeted approach, it can be a little bit sometimes more problematic. So uh anyway, so that's great information, therapy. That's on you said there's information on that on your website. Yes, why don't you just throw out your website right now and throw it out at the end of the end?

SPEAKER_01 29:24

It's options naturopathic.com. So if you can spell naturopathic N-A-T-U-R-O-P-A-T-H-I-C options, is you know, we we pride ourselves on, you know, no matter what's going on, we always have more options. If if something doesn't work the first time around or, you know, it isn't completely resolved. We've always, always, always have more options. And, you know, when people really understand the underlying philosophy of what we're doing, then they're always going to come back and understand our goal is not to keep you as our patient, our goal is to teach you how to address yourself because you understand in its totality how the human body works as a subject that takes in information and discharges information. And you've got to keep that going because if you're not discharging, you're not detoxing, you're not letting go, you're you're suppressing, you're stopping the body's healthy and inherently needed reactions and responses by living in the environment that it's in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:27

Awesome. All right, so this is great. So really good information so far. We'll keep it, we'll keep this, uh, keep this trend rolling. So now we'll get into detox and emotions. So, what is the connection between the body's ability to detox and emotions or just anything you want to say about detox related to emotions?

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Well, I think probably one of the most obvious ways to talk about that is to talk about a constipated person. So, whether we're talking about a child who ends up withholding their bowel movements because they're stressed, anxious, or they're not interacting with their parent in a healthy way. The parent isn't interacting with the child in a healthy way, where the child is, you know, learning to feel comfortable and confident in what they're doing. And then they end up not, you know, it's not just a matter of having difficulty with being potty trained. It becomes a much more severe issue, um, obstipation. They just really are not going to the bathroom. So, you know, that's one example, but you can see that where sometimes you'll ask people, well, tell me about your digestive health, and they'll say, I've been constipated my whole life. And you'll say, Okay, well, when at what age did that really start? And some people will say, I literally have never gone to the bathroom on a daily basis. So why does that happen? Why does that get launched in a person when they're a child? Now, is it because they had antibiotics, as we were talking about before, or is it because they're having living in a circumstance in a family situation where there's either trauma, abuse, consistent day-to-day boundary violations, emotional abuse, I mean, any number of things that could lead the person to not eliminate properly. So those things are all part and part and parcel of you know having emotional relationships to detox. But one thing I've also noticed, because I'm kind of like an acute observer of patterns, both in myself and in others, having a lot of contextual learnings, both in like the mental symptoms of homeopathy that we pay attention to, but also a whole body of work that's called the German New Medicine, that's paying attention to psychological shocks, to being turning a gestalt, um, which is a form of like psychotherapy and really kind of helping people to understand what conflicts there are, both in an interpersonal relationship as well as in like an organization, that I've become acutely aware of paying attention to the subtlest little discharges and detoxifications that a person will have directly as a result of a situation or a circumstance. So, to give you an example of that, the most obvious one would be a personal one where, you know, I have a staff that, you know, waxes and wanes a little bit, anywhere from like five to ten people over the last, you know, four or so years, I've had this, you know, larger staff for you know, a solo someone who was once a solo doctor. This is like a big deal for me. You know, I'm treating patients and then I have this whole business to run. And sometimes there are very difficult situations that happen. And I might be holding some stress about it, I may be withholding some worry about it. And the minute we have a conversation and we clear the air, suddenly I have to go to the bathroom. And then, you know, I'm out and I completely like, you know, at a time that I normally wouldn't have a bowel movement, I'm suddenly just completely eliminating. So, because of those situations, you know, as graphic as they may be, I've really come to see the relationships in those reality of what's related to what. And even, you know, to give you another concrete example, just the other day, I was testing a friend with some of the charts that I got from the author of their radionics book. And we were just kind of playing around with these new, what they're called, fan charts. They're a way of asking very specific locations and factors to different issues. And I ended up finding that she had a heavy metal issue and that it was saying that scar therapy would help her. Well, she didn't even know what scar therapy was. So I ended up explaining scar therapy, and then I was like, okay, let me see with the pendulum if there's something else that would help her. And it turned out that a very rare and bizarre flower essence would also help her. And then when I started explaining scar therapy and asking her, you know, if she had scars, because everybody has at least one scar, which is your belly button is a scar. Of scar therapy is when a person gets whatever scars can be identified on the body, injected with either procaine or lidocaine, maybe dextrose. Um, I was explaining this to her, and she ended up remembering that she'd had a scar that was associated with a very traumatic event. And, you know, this is an old friend of mine. I never knew this. We were both like, oh my God, like I can't believe that this came up out of this. As soon as we were done with the conversation, she was like, Oh my God, I have to go to the bathroom. And it was 10 o'clock at night, and she went and had a gigantic bowel movement.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

So something shifted just in that conversation. And, you know, there's all kinds of people in the world that can say, oh, that's that's coincidental. That's, you know, that's just a coincidence. But I would encourage those people to become readers of Carl Jung's work and you know, how he started to use the term synchronicity.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Yeah, I'm not familiar. I have to check that out.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

So, so synchronicity is not a term that he coined, but it's a term that he started to use in his writings that's speaking to seemingly unrelated events in space and time that actually very likely have a relationship that are coming through the subconscious or the collective unconscious that were otherwise not seen as being related. And, you know, he gave he gave a description to that phenomenon from his own inner work and exploration of his own psyche and his dream work and work with archetypes that is now really becoming part of our everyday language. When people say, oh my God, how you know synchronous was that? Or, you know, oh, serendipity or synchronous is becoming more and more in the general common parlance as people are talking because they're noticing this phenomenon. I mean, you would, I would imagine you have some experience of that yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just the the the the book is Carl Carl Jung was the author.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Well, Carl Jung is a very famous psychotherapist.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

Okay, I haven't yeah, I haven't heard of him. That's what I was saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

So he was he was originally a um colleague of Sigmund Freud, but he really broke away from the Freudian psychology and developed his own very deep body of work that is really kind of the launching pad for a whole other type of psychoanalysis. So there's a lot of people in the world that are called Jungian analysts, and they're not Freudian analysts, they're not Freudian psychoanalysts, they're Jungian and Jung had a lot more to do with this idea that there is a collective unconscious, meaning there's something that is in you that's part of me because we are effectively part of the one.

SPEAKER_02 38:13

Yeah. Interesting.

unknown 38:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

It's it's a bit more spiritual, I guess you could say, but yeah, makes a lot of sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

Yeah. Okay, there's a lot of stuff for people to dig deeper into in this interview. Right. So um, okay, I wanted to ask about staying on the topic of emotions. What are your thoughts on you know how emotions get stored or trapped or the frequency of emotions? Kind of how does the bottle hand how does the body respond to unresolved emotions?

SPEAKER_01 38:40

Very good question. Well, I would say that there's a many, many, many answers to this question because there is a potentially infinite myriad of ways in which the body holds on to suppressed emotions. So one of the key things that that we do here at options when we take on a cancer patient, anyone who has had cancer both active or in the past, we have them go through our onboarding. And part of that onboarding, the onboarding is multiple visits with both myself and the other doctor, as well as a patient advocate who's educating them, because it's very overwhelming to get diagnosed with cancer, as you can imagine. But part of the onboarding is a visit that we call the Genesis. And the the Genesis visit is to really look at all the factors that contributed to this person developing cancer. So we have them write their life story, meaning what's your story? You you write it like a narrative, not like a bullet point, but you write your story both from a social, emotional, medical perspective, explaining, you know, your childhood and the circumstances. And then I will read the story and look at you know, your the intake that's done, the history taking that's done. And then I'm essentially helping the person see the genesis of their cancer. And in that visit, I'm always going to help the person make the connection when I think there is one, to the psychology of how their emotions that got suppressed essentially led them to disconnect from themselves and that part of themselves that then ended up that part of themselves starts to die. And that's really what a cancer is. A cancer is the alienated, fragmented part of your being that is so disconnected from your iness and your human ego, human identity that it's off over here on its own. And the natural forms, the microbiota, start to digest it. And then you see fermentation. You see, you see the Warburg effect of where, you know, some there's a there's a fellow in Italy who believes that all cancers are funguses that are growing, fungi, you know, it's a fungal problem. And and I would agree that, you know, while you can't just cure cancer by giving somebody baking soda, which is kind of his shtick, it's a bit more complex than that. But it makes a lot of sense in that when you have something dead in nature, what comes in is the cleanup crew. It's it's gonna be the mycelium, right? Yeah, the mushrooms, the fungus is gonna come in and digest what isn't being digested. And that's, you know, that shows up in people's guts as soon as they've got, you know, symptoms of candida. And then it just goes downhill from there. The longer and the more the person's overall health is destroyed through all the different things that toxify and stop the elimination processes from the person, but ultimately it starts with those psychological shocks and traumas and trapped emotions. So it really can show up in a myriad of ways. And, you know, a cancer is definitely a clue that there's been a significant pattern of trapped emotions in the body.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Yeah. Yeah, no, it's great. It's it's it's I mean, it goes back to what you were saying just with that fungus that, you know, the cancer being a fungus, it goes back to the train theory. It's like, well, yeah, but the fungus isn't the problem. It's it's the clean, it's the response to the actual problem. So like parasites, it's like, well, you know, this condition is has a hundred percent association with with parasites. It's like, well, yeah, but it doesn't mean that those are the problem, you know, guilty by association.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

It makes me really sad how hard it is to change the thinking of a person who thinks that they just have to kill the cancer, which is what all of society and the medical world is, you know, they've really done a very good job of training people to think about cancer as if it's an infection, like it's something that you got. Well, infection's wrong, let alone, you know, you don't, you don't acquire cancer, you generate a cancer, right? It's it's the end stage symptom of a systemic issue that's been going on for any number of years.

unknown 43:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

Do you, I mean, generally, maybe this is too hard to answer. Is there, you know, how like I would say, how long does it generally take someone to develop cancer? Or is that just it just there's a million factors?

SPEAKER_01 43:28

Is it well there's it, I mean, you really have to look at, you know, what kind of cancer, what stage of cancer, how aggressive is the cancer. But I would say that in some cases, people are, you know, they're on that track their entire life. And, you know, they human beings are part of nature, and nature is incredibly resilient, and that's why it's so confusing. That's why the human body is so complex and hard to unpack and figure out, because we really compensate the human body compensates incredibly well for the varying issues that we have, and medical practice makes it very confusing. Particularly, you know, even cancer treatments like somebody can have an early stage cancer, go through the conventional. Treatment of chemotherapy and radiation, and then they could not have a recurrence for 10 years or more. And so they think, well, the treatment worked, but really they just had a very slow growing non-aggressive cancer, and their their overall terrain was not as poor as another person who has a more aggressive cancer, is because their general health and their ancestors' health was not good.

unknown 44:42

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

So too many variables to just a tough, tough question.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

Here's another, here's another tough question. The uh is there out of let's say a hundred uh individuals with cancer that kind of you you see, how many have for for the emotional aspect, how many of those cancer cases do you think are primarily driven from an from an emotional, you know, suppressed emotions or or at least a contributing factor? Like how big, how big is the emotional issue when it comes to cancer?

SPEAKER_01 45:15

I mean, it's hard to not say that it's 100%, but I I have had a few cases where it seems it's not as easy to find, and that's usually in men and older men. Those are harder things to uncover because they're not as aware vocal speaking of, or there's another component of the terrain and the driver of the cancer that's really large. Like, you know, I'm thinking of one of our patients who's a farmer, right? So he had decades and decades of toxic exposures and he has prostate cancer. Well, the prostate is where your body's gonna store all of your overload of toxicants, toxic agents that act like estrogens, it's gonna land in the prostate. It's the garbage can for a man. And so, you know, I would I think of that particular person, um, I think of some of the sarcomas that we've seen, which is a cancer that's very much driven by toxic exposures. But, you know, even in those cases, it's always gonna be multifactorial. Like there's gonna be components from ancestral patterns and epigenetics that have happened in previous generations that that weaken that particular individual's ability to detoxify, or there's nutritional deficiencies that go alongside it that make it physiologically the person physiologically compromised to be able to detoxify. They don't have the appropriate nutrients. You know, there's so many confounding and compounding issues that people can have. That's really why it's necessary to undergo the onboarding and do those deep dive assessments to really look and see what is it that needs to be addressed. But I definitely think that in those people that have the emotional pieces, it's, you know, I really tell them this is the most important thing for you to attend to is find and feel what you have shut down, what you have disconnected from from yourself. And sometimes people don't have any idea. They're so habituated to being shut down and closed up, they have no idea. It may even be annoying for them to hear me say this, right? Because it's like, no, that's not me. That's not me. Because it's too painful, it's so difficult to look at. And then all of society says, you know, don't show your emotions. I mean, just literally last night we were watching the end of the one of the tournaments of the US Open, and these two guys, both Americans, playing, you know, into the fifth set, and the one guy wins, and they run over and they hug each other for probably a minute. They were hugging, and the one guy had his face buried. He was bawling his eyes out, and he did not once show his face to the cameras. Even as the cameras followed him back in the locker room, he had a towel over his head. It's like it's not cool to show your emotions, especially if you're a man.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

It's hard.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. It's so one thing that I I talk about emotions sometimes because I think it's interesting that because things are connected, right? And I think there's a connection between, let's say, heavy metal toxicity and emotional trauma. Right? Like it I I look at it the in the in the context of the body has a certain amount of energy that it has to deal with everything. And you know, some of that goes to you know, detoxing physical toxicants, some of that goes to emotions, etc. If you're in a time of extended, you know, chronic emotional stress, that's taking away from some of the energy that the body would otherwise be using for heavy metal contaminants. So it's like when people end up with these chronic conditions, they always have heavy metals and they always have all sorts of other toxicants. But I say, like, it's it doesn't necessarily mean that that was the cause of your issue. It might have been a result of the issue because of a lack of you know, something else causing that chronic stress on the system, taking away energy, then you get this buildup. But then it's like kind of a negative snowball effect where everything's affecting everything. But inversely, I think that when you have, you know, high, let's say you are a farmer and you're spraying the Roundup and the pesticides and the paracol, all this stuff on the fields, and your body's just trying to deal with this. I think, and you can let me know your opinion, I think that can actually inhibit your body's ability to manage emotions on a daily basis because it's using so much energy on the physical.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Yeah, I think I tend to see it the the other way around. Um, but I definitely think they're related. I mean, I think about my dad, who just passed away earlier this year. He was, he had a business where he painted automobiles in his own shop. You know, this is back in the 70s and the 80s. He did not have a good ventilation system. It always smelled totally toxic in there. And then he was a smoker and, you know, he never got cancer. He his body, his vessels basically gave out. You know, he had COPD and he had peripheral vascular disease. Um, he ended up probably bleeding out from a vessel that was just completely disintegrating because he didn't have the proper nutrients. So while he didn't develop a cancer that would have been associated with an emotional component, it was really maybe more symbolic of relationships at large, which the cardiovascular system, I think, represents the relationship between your inner self with others. But even this, the case that I gave earlier, where I was doing the pendulum dousing on my friend, and the first thing that showed up was the heavy metal miasm. And then it went into there being an issue with the scar, scars, scar therapy, and a flower essence that it very much could be the blockages in the emotional, in the physical body, the energetic body that was asking for the scar therapy that led to holding heavy metals. But then the original, original causative agent was this emotional trauma. So, you know, when there's an emotional trauma and you're withholding, you're gonna withhold whatever else you're exposed to at that particular time. And that, you know, heavy metals, glyphosate, pesticides, molds, mycotoxins, I mean, those are all the biggies, right? Yeah. Well, and it's now we have some Zeo Charge.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

Yeah. And so speaking of Z, we should probably talk a little bit about Zoocharge because that's usually the point of it. But this is so good. You have so much information to share. I love it. Uh, but one of the things that's interesting that some people find very surprising because they're not expecting it, they start on Zeo Charge and then they start reliving some past kind of emotional uh situations or traumas in their life, or they might get dreams, like very vivid dreams, sometimes even nightmares, or just start crying. Just it's like their body's releasing some of these stored emotions. And just from taking the zeo charge, and it, you know, and I've heard this with other detox approaches too. Like you're getting rid of the metals and other, you know, physical contaminants, and all of a sudden your body's like shedding even more. And it's not like the zeolite's binding to the frequency of emotion, but it's like, it's like the body seems to just be starting like to let go.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Well, it really makes sense why you would have that like opposite understanding as I have it, because I'm my whole life, I think, and my whole career for sure been more focused on the emotional. I mean, even though toxicance and toxicity has been part of my training and my therapies all along, like being somebody who's been deeply involved in Zeo Charge, Zeolite, it makes sense that like you would be seeing that side of it more than you're seeing more than I'm seeing it the other way around, right?

SPEAKER_02 52:34

But but both. I mean, it's gonna be both ways. When people do the emotional detox, they're dumping the metals and stuff too. It's like it's just it's interesting, it's so interesting. So have you, yeah, how do you, how do you utilize kind of like Zeocharge in your clinic? Why did you bring it on? Um, what did you feel the need to, you know, what kind of what is you, what what purpose does it serve in your in your practice?

SPEAKER_01 52:52

Well, we we have always been using varying types of binders or detoxifiers, things, you know, we're we've been, of course, long for a long, long time been aware that toxicity is a real thing that interrupts people's day-to-day living, functioning, health, you know, whether it's something that's killing the microbiome that then is putting the immune system at risk, or whether it's something that's literally interrupting function at the enzymatic level. I've been, you know, aware of heavy metals that will disrupt essentially enzymes, right? So, you know, I often think of heavy metals and intoxicants as interrupting your neurological system, your immune system, your endocrine system as sort of being like the big systems. I don't, I don't generally like to pull out one system from the other systems because I think that's done too much in the conventional model. You know, you see the cardiologist, you see the gastroenterologist, you see the rheumatologist, you see the urologist, the proctologist. It's like how many allogists can we possibly see, right? But so I don't really like to separate out all the systems, but in general, we think of some systems are going to be more directly impacted by toxicity. So we've all we are always looking to up-level what we're using based on what we're seeing and what we're learning about and what has been vetted by either other practitioners or purity studies, you know, certificates of analysis that we're assessing. We're always going to be looking for what's the thing that's gonna be the most effective. And we're always up-leveling our game and our apothecary because we want results for people, right? This isn't about just selling as much as we can. This isn't about that at all. It's about sincerely helping people shift and change. And, you know, the we do have an online apothecary, but most of it is really for our patients and the people that are actively working with us. And because we're doing toxicant assessments and a lot more of those since we've really been explicitly focusing on oncology, we do a lot more of those toxicity assessments. So, you know, we're actively testing heavy metals, mycotoxins, and then of, you know, any number of solvents that either are going to be on some of the shorter, more affordable panels or are gonna be on a full, you know, total tox burden panel. And then we're giving people deep dive protocols to go about, to follow in any way, shape, or form that their lifestyle is enabling them to follow. And you know, one of the things that really appeals to me about Zeolite is just the way that it works with the trade-off of, you know, the positive ion dump dropping and then picking up and then always kind of going for that preferential, the the biggest and easily bounded burden. And that I love the fact that you can take more of it versus taking less, because I find people are so they they really tend to shy away from the things that are actually going to help them because they're afraid of the elimination, they're afraid of the detoxification. And I'm always trying to really help people understand that if you're not enabling and facilitating this discharge that might be incredibly uncomfortable to you, you're really putting your health at a much greater risk. I mean, even just today, I emailed a patient who has cancer who's using an antibiotic ointment on some topical source. And I'm like, this is incredibly dangerous because you're literally killing your microbiome, which is killing your mitochondria. You're suppressing and shutting down this discharge of which might exactly be the thing that's saving your life.

SPEAKER_02 56:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

So so I like zeolite for that reason. And I also like it because you can take it with other things. And it's, you know, people get really when people hear the word binder, they're like, oh my God, I can't, I have to take it, you know, at midnight, and everything else is taken from, you know, noon to 8 p.m. And then they end up not being compliant because they're too afraid to take something that they really, you know, with the Zeolite, you really don't have to worry about that like you do with the way other people, other companies are teaching people how to worry about taking binders. Yeah. Am I right?

SPEAKER_02 57:30

Absolutely absolutely. Yeah. It's I well, I get you can imagine the number of emails uh I get every day about that just just with all the the you know, just like, well, this company says this, and you know, well, this website says this about zeolite and binders. And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of information on the internet, most of it's not not accurate. That's why I like to say it. But it is tricky. I I get it. I mean, especially the dosing, you know, when people are trained to like, oh, let me just try a pinch, where it's like, you know, sometimes that's that might not work as well with something like like a you know a zeolite powder with the dosing pair. Do you have a kind of um like a starting dose you recommend to people, or is it just all 100% you know, personalized based on the other thing?

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Well, because we have, I mean, the people that we're probably using the zeolite with more heavily are gonna be some of those sicker people, and they're usually on a whole litany of things. And so I I try to encourage people to take more of it, but knowing how people are, you know, they so that even sometimes when you tell them something, they don't listen unless you're really going deep and hard and heavy on it. So, you know, I'm usually starting people off at one or two scoops a day, and then you know, I explain to them if you're actually gonna get worse, you really need to take more rather than less. So make sure you understand that it's different in that way. And I I think I made um a handout, I definitely made a handout, and I even made a little like chat GPT image of like how it works with the dropping of the cation. So I really try, I mean, we we pride ourselves on educating people, like that's one of our core competencies as how we envision and see what we do is we are it's most important that the patient understand what we're doing and what we're accomplishing, because our goal is for you to be your own doctor and to understand your body.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right. So any closing thoughts before, well, first, first we'll tell people where they can find you, where they can follow you, what you know, offerings for for both in person and for people that don't live nearby, like how can they kind of get involved with what you're doing?

SPEAKER_01 59:41

Yeah. Okay. Well, like I said, our website is Options Anthropathic, and that's essentially the main handle of our social media. We're on Instagram and TikTok and all those usual places. Um so certainly can learn a little bit more from those places. We have a lot of information on our website. And anybody who was more curious and called in to these, you know, emotional components and working with disease, I would definitely encourage them to look at the healing programs that are on our website. There's one called the Mind Body, all one word, mind body temperament balancing. And then there's another one that's called the Optimal Maturation or OM, OM program. And those two really dovetail together. And I've seen some really fascinating and beautiful things happen with people who never I never even saw as a patient. So we've got a couple testimonials of that on the website. But, you know, anybody who's struggling with anxiety, depression, stress, the mind body, temperament balancing program can be really profound. And it's an excellent way to just sort of segue into this world at an affordable way to enter into having your own experience. But certainly people can reach out on the contact us form on our website. Those are two great ways to reach out, or like our socials. And then in terms of long distance, we actually do, you know, probably 60 to 75% of our practice is telemedicine because we're working with oncology. We're working with patients all over the world. And then we can do distance therapies through some of the things we talked about here today, both the Therapy, the radionics, and then there's another energetic testing technique that we also didn't talk about that's called the Saji method or healing with information that uses um a different kind of dousing rod than a pendulum. Um, but there's really a lot of things that can be done, whether somebody's close to us or whether they're, you know, hundreds and hundreds of miles away. It's it's really us teaching you what you need to know in order to take care of yourself. That's our that's our biggest, our biggest wish for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:58

Perfect. All right, so optionsnaturopathic.com, that's the main place. And then you can, there's something for everyone there. Where where is the physical location?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

We're in Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:07

Oh, yeah, okay, excellent.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:09

You're in the Great Lakes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Perfect. All right, Cleveland, Ohio.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

And then there's the development. Sorry?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

Yeah, that's okay. All right, and then we've got the programs online. All right, perfect. All right, so that's great. I'll include that in the show notes to the website so people can check that out. And then you said the socials, it's the same kind of handle. So that'll be great. Is there anything you kind of want? And thank you so much for your time today. This was I think this was great. We touched on a lot of topics that we usually don't touch on. And I think uh people have a lot of um information they can kind of springboard off of if they want to to to dive deeper into some of these, uh, some of these topics. So and you've been on you've been on a guest on a number of podcasts and summits too. So people can just look you up, Dr. Aaron Holston Sing on, you know, Spotify or or whatever, and they can you know listen to some more of your uh your work as well, which will be great. So it um is there is there anything that you want to kind of leave the audience with?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Well, Jeff, I would just say, you know, thank you so much for you know, I had no idea what we were going to talk about today, given, you know, you're the the Zeolite, Zeocharge guy, and you know, there's all this whole world of information. And, you know, I would just say that my biggest, my biggest hope, my biggest wish for any audience out there is, you know, learning to recognize that the human body is first and foremost a like a result of consciousness and it's it's your own feelings, emotions, identity, thoughts that are is always expressing through the body. And I really want to create a curriculum and a way in which people are learning how to listen and trust and make sense of what the body is saying. So if anybody's interested in anything of that nature, there's you know, some organizations and some um some individuals that are building some systems that I'm gonna be involved in. And I just would say, you know, if any of this is curious, like I'd be happy to talk with anybody. Like I definitely have people reach out by by email or you know, contact my staff and then they can reach me. But, you know, I just I just want people to understand that there's another way and that this other way is really truly whole in in the sense of mind, body, and spirit that you can put into action. So thank you for this opportunity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

Well, absolutely. Thank you so much, and I look forward to keep work continue working together to make the world a healthier and happier place. So keep up the good work.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

Good luck to you and your company.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

Thank you so much.